bullies? twins, padfoot and prongs

[potioncat]

No: HPFGUIDX 118659


> 
> Valky:
> Indeed, I have been misunderstood. I expected this because it is 
> really hard to specify that I am speaking strictly about the first 
> part of the incident. Starting at James saying "All right 
Snivellus 
> and ending with the words expecting an attack.
> 
> This miniscule passage has been continually construed to prove 
that 
> James wand was drawn before Severus reached for his., but it 
doesn't 
> support this belief, at all. 
> The first line clearly shows Harry was looking at James and only 
> observed him speaking, the second line questions Severus' action 
of 
> reaching for his wand, that adds up to James was not armed. 
> 
> In the passages following this James and Sirius are obviously 
> bullying Snape, yes bullying. Disgusting , snot-faced, self-
> righteous and reprehensible behaviour. Angry readers want to 
believe 
> further to this that James was too weak to disarm his opponent in 
a 
> fair wand draw, but he wasn't. It's just overkill on the James is 
a 
> rotten tomato march, it's a step too far, and I simply pointed out 
> that it's not even a necessary one. James and Sirius behaved badly 
> enough in what they did do. Label away angry Snape lovers, but 
stick 
> to the truth, is all I am saying.

Potioncat:

Here is where you and I are misunderstanding each other.  Neither of 
us know when James drew his wand. Agreed?  I honestly do not have an 
opinin, based on canon on whether his wand was in his hand when he 
called to "Snivelus."

What canon does tell us is that he stood up, he cued Sirius.  It 
doesn't matter if he is holding the wand or not, he is prepared and 
he calls out in a threatening way to Severus.  Or if not 
threatening, hostile.

So I do not blame Severus for pulling his wand.  I don't even really 
blame James for expelliarmus.  But that it continues shows me that 
James intended something like this, and that he used  his advantage 
and in my opinion, he  has attacked an unexecting person. So, I 
don't think holding the wand would make him any worse than he 
already was. Nor do we know when he pulled his wand.  

As far as sticking to the truth goes, you can no more truthfully say 
that James was not holding his wand, than anyone else could say he 
was holding it.  We do not know.

> Valky:
> I have had this discussion before potioncat. Have you checked your 
> HP time;line, lately? 
> Why? In the time of the reign of Voldemort, when a mad "DARK ARTS" 
> wizard is killing anyone and any innocent thing he comes across, 
> this is the time we are referring to. 
> How can you possibly question whether the Dark Arts are worse than 
> childish pranks.
> He is killing people, potioncat. It's like asking a semite if 
they'd 
> rather a brown coat in their house or a frog in their bed. 
> Your question is ridiculous. 
> Sorry, potioncat I am getting a bit personal there. I don't mean 
to 
> bite, it's just a pretty significant point to me. 
> 
> Valky hoping potioncat won't hate me after this.

Potioncat:
Severus knew more dark arts than "most 7th years" when he arrived at 
Hogwarts.  It appears normal for 7th years to know dark arts...not 
wrong, not illegal...normal.

It is wrong to drink alcohol and drive.  I drink alcohol.  That does 
not make me a drunk driver.

We do not know that Severus at 15 was a DE.  If James knew, he 
should have reported him.  

I can tell many more posts have followed this one, although at the 
moment only 2 show up directly on the thread.  So I'm responding to 
your questions at this point.  And now I'll go read the many 
continuing discussion points that are showing up on the list.