bullies? twins, padfoot and prongs

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 118747



> > Valky wrote :
> > "I find totally strange that Sirius after all we know of him 
could come across as a calculating murderer. 
> > In the context of a bitter rampage without thought to 
consequence I can see Snape could have a point, but his statement is 
intended a point to a cold feelingless evil Sirius, so I am sure he 
is not right about that."
> > 
> > Del replies :
> > I see what you mean.
> > 
> > However, as you pointed out in another post, it could be that 
Sirius had very deep issues where the Dark Arts were concerned. So 
is it really impossible that he would have considered Snape to be so 
dangerous that he would have seized the opportunity to rid the world 
of him ? I wouldn't put it past him.
> > 
> >

Valky:
Ouch yes, I can't quite put it past him either, in the context of 
*seizing the opportunity*. I can't imagine him doing it without the 
pressure of a heated moment boiling him up first, but I can imagine 
Sirius thinking that he could rid the world of evil dangerous Snape.

> 
> Carol adds:
> We know that the older Sirius plotted for months to kill Peter,
> behaving like a homicidal maniac (attacking the Fat Lady's portrait
> and slashing Ron's bed curtains with a twelve-inch knife). He also
> would have killed Peter right in front of HRH if Harry hadn't 
stopped him. 

Valky:
Hmmmm, hard to give you credit for this one Carol. Sirius was an 
innocent man in Azkaban grieving the loss of his dearest companions 
in the world. He was not in his right mind, at all.
Besides Harry didn't *stop* Sirius and Remus killing Peter. He 
appealed to their *existing* better nature and they stopped all by 
themselves.


Carol:
Given his tendency toward rashness and retaliation, he may also
> have intended to murder Peter after Godric's Hollow. So it's also
> possible that he wanted to kill Severus as well. It all depends on 
how deep his hatred went, regardless of its causes or whether the 
hatred was justified.
> 

Valky:
Pardon? Are you saying that Sirius hatred of the person who betrayed 
and had murdered the most precious friend in the world to him is 
*unjustified*? Or worse still that this betrayal can even be 
*compared* to Sirius feelings toward Snape. 


Carol:
> At the very least, he was guilty of reckless endangerment, whether 
or not he intended for Severus to be killed or worse, bitten and 
turned into a werewolf. And the consequences for Remus would have 
been just as bad. So is the young Sirius merely thoughtless, 
reckless, and vindicative or actually murderous? His conduct can't 
be justified either way.
> 

Valky:
Vindictive, I would choose, since you bring up Sevvie being bitten 
and turned into a werewolf. He may have arrogantly believed that it 
would teach Humility to young Snape, who obviously thinks and always 
thought himself better than Remus by some prejudicial and unfound 
reasoning.