Lucius - Full blood (was The [Real] Importance of being Draco Malfoy)

[kmcbears1]

No: HPFGUIDX 114373

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "onnanokata" <averyhaze at h...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "kmcbears1" <karen at d...> 
wrote:
> <snip>
> Dharma replies:
> Did anyone in this thread suggest that Lucius was not Draco's 
> father?  If so, you did not include that bit in your post.  If you 
> are referring to my comment about illegitimate children, my comment 
> could apply to any "pureblood's" family history at any point.  I 
> certainly never suggested that Lucius was not Draco's father.
>  
> kmc replies:
>  
> I used the comment about Draco's resemblance to his father to 
provide 
> Cannon as to why Draco is not the HBP.  The original challenge was 
to 
> provide cannon to counter the HBP!Draco.
>  
> (see post 114332 for the snipped text.
>  
> -kmc
> 
> Dharma replies:
> 
> There is nothing conclusive about this argument one way or 
another.  
> There is no irrefutable proof that any of the Malfoys is a pure 
> blood, other than what the characters say.  Again that leaves all 3 
> of the Malfoys' claims as up in the air as anyone else's.  What 
proof 
> do we have beyond Lucius Malfoy's word that there are no half 
bloods, 
> Muggles or Muggleborns in the Malfoy line?  The only Malfoys we 
know 
> are Lucius, Draco and Narcissa.  Unless you can prove that everyone 
> is correct in his or her understanding his or her heritage, it 
makes 
> little difference to determining if Draco could be the HBP.  Lucius 
> could be lying about or under a false impression of his family's 
> history.  Canon shows us that the characters can sincerely believe 
> what they are saying and be wrong, or just not tell the truth.  Any 
> argument about Draco's resemblance to Lucius is just not 
definitive.  
> It does not further the case one way or the other.  Draco has 2 
> parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents and so on
.

kmc challenges :)
I think we are going to disagree on this one until book 6 is released 
but...
 - give me some specific Cannon to support Draco as the HBP.  Is 
there cannon of Lucius lying?  Lucius may not tell all that he knows 
but I don't remember anywhere in the books when Lucius lied.  I am 
not saying he is not evil or does things "out of the goodness of his 
heart" but can you show an actual lie to support your theory.  

Lucius is only a few years older than Sirius, so there is a good 
chance that Mrs Black would know Lucius parents and possible grand-
parents.  

Sirius is one of the characters who states that Lucius is full-
blood.  Please show me an occasion when Siruis believed what he was 
saying but was wrong.  

I agree it would be a great story line but it just is not supported 
by cannon.

-kmc