Lucius - Full blood (was The [Real] Importance of being Draco Malfoy)
onnanokata
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Sat Oct 2 04:38:17 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 114414
kmc challenges :)
give me some specific Cannon to support Draco as the HBP. Is
there cannon of Lucius lying? Lucius may not tell all that he knows
but I don't remember anywhere in the books when Lucius lied. I am
not saying he is not evil or does things "out of the goodness of his
heart" but can you show an actual lie to support your theory.
Sirius is one of the characters who states that Lucius is full-
blood. Please show me an occasion when Siruis believed what he was
saying but was wrong. I agree it would be a great story line but it
just is not supported by cannon.
samnanya
That's easy on both counts -- how about
I am not a death eater - Lucius Malfoy
even the Dark Lord knows that Lucius is slithery ... and the Dark
Lord always knows
Dharma replies:
Lucius agrees with Dumbledore that it is very fortunate that the
diary was destroyed (CoS chapter 18). We know that this is not a
true sentiment because, he gave Ginny Riddle's diary and told Draco
that the last time the chamber was opened, someone died. If he had
really been concerned about the potential consequences for the
students, would he have given Jenny the diary?
Sirius and Remus admit that they each thought the other was that spy,
and each asked for each other's forgiveness. Sirius also admits that
he never even considered the idea that it could be Pettigrew. He was
wrong on both counts. That is canon.
There is plenty of canon to suggest that Wizards lie, or that they
don't always know what is true. If Sirius always knew what was true,
would he have ended up in Azkaban? If Malfoy never lied, how is it
that he stayed out of Azkaban? Snape lies to Umbridge. Dumbledore
lies to Fudge, and the list could go on. Even if Lucius never told a
lie, which is not the case, there would still be canon to support the
idea that he could or would. There are many instances of Witches and
Wizards not telling or knowing the truth throughout the series.
On the concept of canon support for Draco as the HBP
There has been
no canon argument made in this thread about the identity of the HBP
that is completely irrefutable one way or the other. Canon can work
for or against most arguments in this case. Unless we can *prove*
that everyone is being truthful and is fully aware of his or her
heritage, then the idea of Malfoy's pureblood status is arguable.
Where is the *irrefutable* proof that the truth about all of the
Malfoys' ancestries has been revealed? Until this proof is offered
this tread will become completely redundant, in my opinion. In that
spirit, this will be my last post on this topic until unarguable
proof is offered. Perhaps someone with new information will be able
to move the conversation forward?
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