What's wrong with Mean!Snape ?
pippin_999
foxmoth at qnet.com
Sat Oct 9 16:14:31 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 115290
Pippin:
> > Readers understand that because Buckbeak couldn't
behave otherwise without becoming something other than a
hippogriff, punishment would be useless and unjust.<<
Nora:
> It's an interesting analogy, Pippin, but it does has a major
weakness, as I'm sure you know--mainly the difference between
human and hippogriff.<<
>
> One famous old definition (Harry Frankfurt's) of 'personhood' is
the ability to have second-order desires; to have a desire about
the desires that one has. Easier to give an example: to have the
wish to *want* to do good things for other people. I don't think
Buckbeak is capable of that, while I do think Snape is.<
>
> I think tolerance is an important issue, and I think there *are*
> lessons to be learned about allowing Snape to be himself. On
the other hand, I think there is a reciprocal issue--Snape
learning that he shouldn't always treat people as he does. I
keep coming back to problems of liberalism, but 'you gotta get
along to go along' is one of them.
<snip> if we try to accept all of them, we get
PreposterouslyCompetent!Snape. That is to say, Snape who is
very deeply damaged and cannot help his behavior towards the
kids, BUT he's also really just doing it out of frustration and also
trying to help them along as he's completely aware of the
importance of Harry AND he always has their best interests in
mind; he's emotionally damaged from abuse BUT is still
perfectly in control of his emotions to succeed as a spy...
>
> I bet there's one piece of missing information that would trigger
a cascade of 'Oh, that's it?'<
Pippin:
Such as Not-linked-to-(other)-vampires-partVampire!Snape?
Like Buckbeak neither foal nor fowl,Snape could possess an
atypical mind, thus misleading the legilimens despite not being
in perfect control of his emotions (canon: 'Don't ask me to
fathom the way a werewolf's mind works?").
FBAWTFT implies there's debate about whether vampires are
capable of overcoming their brutal natures enough to be
welcomed into the polity, which speaks to Nora's quote about
personhood. The centaurs say they shouldn't be. But then, as it
turns out, the centaurs themselves are better at spouting their
philosophy (we do not attack foals) than acting on it, so who are
they to judge?
Of course that will disappoint those who want to find purely
human reasons for Snape's behavior, but I think the vampire
metaphor might be a useful one to explain, in a poetic way, why
if it's a good thing for Harry to be flexible enough to alter his
behavior the same should not be expected of Snape. The
underlying truth would be that humans aren't equally flexible --
change is possible for some but not for everyone.
Pippin
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