Dumbridge/McGonagall

[frugalarugala]

No: HPFGUIDX 115582


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "finwitch" <finwitch at y...> 
wrote:
> Finwitch:
> 
> I've never heard the term Guerilla war before. Don't know what 
you're
> getting at here.
> 
> What I see Umbridge as doing, is well - it's alike to what I've 
heard
> that wife-beaters do. They start by ridding the wife from social
> contacts, making all she says to seem like a lie, accusing her for
> things she didn't do etc. None seeming like much to start with, but
> the longer she tries to avoid 'giving him an excuse' the worse it 
gets.
> 
> JKR has her own life-experience of this sort of man. (The date of
> Trelawney's prediction for that dreadful thing about (Turned out to 
be
> a Rabbit dying? Reference to the first story she wrote, perhaps?) to
> happen is the day she wed her first, abusive husband.
> 
Frugala:
(from freedictionary.com) 
Gue`ril´la
Noun 1. guerilla - a member of an irregular armed force that fights a 
stronger force by sabotage and harassment
guerrilla, irregular, insurgent
guerilla force, guerrilla force - an irregular armed force that 
fights by sabotage and harassment; often rural and organized in large 
groups
Maquis, Maquisard - a guerrilla fighter in the French underground in 
World War II
urban guerrilla - a guerrilla who fights only in cities and towns
warrior - someone engaged in or experienced in warfare  
Adj. 1. guerilla - used of independent armed resistance 
forces; "guerrilla warfare"; "partisan forces"
guerrilla, underground, irregular
partisan, partizan - devoted to a cause or party (\quote)

Harry's plan of attack is always direct, even when direct is 
suicidal. Guerrilla warfare is basically what the staff used against 
her. Although the idea of Umbridge as spouse-beater is interesting, 
especially since she replaced the grandfatherly Dumbledore...
 
> Frug:
> 
>  As for point-taking, 
> > I'm sure it was born of frustration and that McGonagall would 
have 
> > liked to take him and shake him while yelling, 'Don't give her 
any 
> > excuses! You're on her hit list! Don't give her any excuses!' But 
> > that's the sort of non-aloof McGonagall we only occationally see, 
> > like when she's under stress or the influence of quidditch... 
> 
> Finwitch:
> 
> Adults ought not to take their frustrations on children - or 
teenagers
> either for that matter. Taking responsibility over your own emotions
> is what I think emotional maturity is all about. And if she was up 
to
> with 'Don't give her excuses', that's just plain WRONG, and 
certainly
> not the way Harry should take.
> 
> How come no one did anything to stop all those 'educational decrees'
> Umbridge made up?
> 
Well, if we're going to extend that Umbridge-as-abusive-spouse view, 
then we could see McGonagall as the co-dependent spouse who excuses 
the behavior. A similar situation, yes, but I don't see McGonagall as 
excusing Umbridge because she doesn't want or can't to face that 
theres a problem. But I don't actually buy that. I don't see her as 
trying to tell Harry to supress it and not deal with it, just to deal 
with it differently.