Snape and Magic Dishwasher. Was: Re: DD and the rat:

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No: HPFGUIDX 115870


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Nora Renka" <nrenka at y...> 
wrote:

snip.

I think the 
> situation itself in the Shack was enough to send him over the 
edge.  
> He was thinking in intensely personal terms in that situation, and 
> that's what Lupin's rather nasty yet cool rebuke is about.

Alla:

Yep, Lupin certainly has an edge, does not he? You know, Nora, there 
was a time not so far ago, when I used to think that Remus is a 
boring character, that is partially why I was ready to lean towards 
Pippin's theory.

But I recently reread POA and read Elkin's essays about Lupin and I 
have to say, Remus is not boring at all. He can certainly put Snape 
in his place much more effectively than Sirius ever could. :o)

I am again keeping my fingers crossed that having an "edge" does not 
mean ESE!Remus, because to me it would cross out message about 
tolerance and help to the victims of prejudice. It would mean that 
you cannot survive in the tough conditions without turning to evil, 
but it is just my opinion.


I have to reread whether Snape's rage is really THAT different in POA 
than in OOP, but regardless I think that Snape lost it in the Shack 
and lost it badly. Could it be just a surface? Definitely, but I 
happen to think that such surface is more IC for Snape than MD. 
Again, Just my opinion, of course



Nora:

> (On a side note--isn't it interesting how Snape's 'cover story' for 
> the kids actually ends up hurting their cause, in the long run?  
> Snape makes sure the kids stay shut up and look ridiculous in the 
> hospital wing in PoA--Fudge then refers to all the crazy things 
Harry 
> was saying then, at the end of GoF.  But then, given some of the 
> comments and such made in OotP, I also now lean towards Snape being 
> genuinely disappointed at the loss of the Order of Merlin in PoA; 
he 
> really does seem to want that recognition and glory.)
> 


Alla:

Oh, yes. I think Snape craves glory and recognition and partially 
resents Harry for that. No matter that poor child would give up that 
glory and recognition in a second to be a normal child with alive 
parents.

I think that Alan Rickman's comments which Eloise reposted recently 
are very true to Snape's character.


Nora:

My large problem with the DISHWASHER is how many 
> reversals it demands and the sheer level of puppeteering going on.  
> Should it come true, I will bow gracefully and concede to your 
> ingenuity.  My own suspicion is that it's long odds.
> 
Alla:

Agreed.