envy vs. jealousy?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 115958


> Del replies :
> From what I can see from the definitions you've provided, Paul, I 
see
> Ron as envious, not jealous. Jealousy seems to imply that one wants
> not only the same thing as someone else, but they also want to strip
> the other from that thing. In other words, they want to *take* that
> thing from someone else.
> 
> Envy, on the other hand, seems to be when you want to have something
> *too*. You don't mind someone else having it, but you wish you could
> have it too. And *this* is what Ron does : he doesn't mind Harry
> having some things, he just wishes he could have them *too*. For
> example, he doesn't resent Harry for being rich, he only wishes he
> could be rich too.



Alla:


I have a very opposite definition of envy, Del. The one, which is 
very close to "jealousy".

Did you hear the expression "black envy" and "white envy". In my 
language "black envy" implies exactly that - that you want something 
that other person has AND you want that something to be taken from 
other person.


Del:

Envy, not jealousy : I don't mind you having it,
> I just wish I could have it too.

Alla:

That is WHITE envy, Dell. I read Ron as bgeing ful of BLACK one in 
GoF.