DD and the rat (was:Re: Minerva McGonagall-/Dumbledore)

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No: HPFGUIDX 115961


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Nora Renka" <nrenka at y...> wrote:
> 
> It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that somehow Harry is going to 
> off Voldemort, right?  Harry himself may live or die, but the more 
> extravagant claims of Dark!Harry and temptation and all that have 
> already been shot down by her--she seemed pretty indignant about it, 
> too.
> 

Kneasy:
I'd give it 6:4.
I expect the resolution to be something other than wands at 10 paces.

Nora:
> Sure, the adults are *important*, but the more I think about it and 
> how it's really all about Harry, they are primarily there to give him 
> guidance.  I hope, just as fervently as you hope for other things, 
> that Dumbledore is going to be wrong about the prophecy and Harry's 
> going to have to figure things out by himself, to some extent.  
> That's what the Bildungsroman model would lead us towards--the 
> development of his character into independence and all that.
> 

Kneasy:
Oddly enough I have very little confidence in the significance of the
Prophesy in the coming two books. There's a fair chance it's all
history and therefore largely irrelevant, no matter what DD says.

Independence - with Voldy in his head? Harry is not alone.
Too many parallels between Harry  and Tom. He's linked and it's the
uncoupling that will resolve all. But that's not independence, not in 
the same terms that you're envisaging.

Nora:
> I think she's conned us into trying to draw all of these intricate 
> parallels between MWPP's generation and Harry's, and then messes with 
> them.  (To answer another thread, I don't think the Creevey brothers 
> are meant as a direct Peter analogy, obnoxious though they may be.)  
> But we shall have to wait and see, I think.

Kneasy:
Can't speak for others, but most of the generational parallels I drone
on about involve the Sorting Hat being nobbled. And that considers
*types*, i.e. typical Slyth, Huff, whatever, rather than individuals
repeating the sins of the fathers.  So the Trio + Neville are bunged into
Gryff, no matter how unreasonable. Similarly the Marauders;  but it's
part of DD's agenda (or maybe the Sorting Hats) rather than following
the doomed footprints of a preceding generation  through fate.

> Nora:
> Fear of sap, dear Kneasy?  We all know your feelings about *ick* 
> Love.  But do expect it to play some major role in the series, after 
> all.
> 

Kneasy:
Been there, done that. Enough to know that there's many flavours 
and conditions of love. In sixty years you can experience a lot.
But stuffing 'em all under one catch-all label is fraud IMO. It just 
highlights the naivety of those concerned.
And naivety is another form of ignorance, no? 
It raises unreal expectations. It's never a solution to a problem,
though it may be a comfort to the afflicted.

> -Nora admits to preferring Puccini to Handel--mainly because there's 
> no harpsichord

Kneasy:
See?
Wrong again. 
Some lovely bashing of harpsichord keys if you know where to look.
Try Wanda Landowska thumping out the Goldberg Variations.
Makes Puccini sound like an ice-cream vendor with a strangulated hernia.