Snape and Magic Dishwasher. Was: Re: DD and the rat:

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No: HPFGUIDX 116006



Bluesqueak:

> Ah, yes of course. I forgot. It's all Snape's fault [grin]. Under 
no 
> circumstances can Sirius be a git. Sirius has *reasons* for any 
> nasty behaviour. Snape doesn't understand poor Sirius. He is 
> unsympathetic to what he's been through. 
> 
> He was probably to blame for Sirius bullying him as well. 
Obviously. 
> The way he was, well, just *being* there in the Pensieve scene. 
> Besides, he has grey underwear. Snape most likely smelt. Somebody 
> has to do something about kids like that. Humiliate them, for 
> example.
> 
> OK, I'm being sarcastic. Because frankly, neither Snape nor Sirius 
> are nice people. The reason we see Sirius as nice is quite simple -
 
> Harry likes him. We see Sirius through his viewpoint. 
> 
> When not viewed through Harry's viewpoint, Sirius
> 1)was a school bully
> 2)played a potentially lethal trick on the kid he bullied
> 3)owns a slave (whether house-elves are always slaves is a moot 
> point, but I'd say that Dobby, Winky and Kreacher are all treated 
as 
> if they were slaves by the Malfoys, Crouches and the Blacks)
> 4)treats that slave with contempt.
> 
> There are probably other points. Sirius is charming and Snape is 
> charmless - they're both very flawed human beings. 


Alla:

Oy, Pip. Why do you misdirect my argument so much?

I am NOT saying that Sirius is  all around nice person. Please, give 
me a little bit more credit than that. :) 

What I am saying is that it is quite possible that Snape, poor dear, 
was just as nasty and vicious to Marauders as they were to him in 
the pensieve scene.

It IS canon that Snape was a DE ( but I forgot, it is all James and 
Sirius fault. They drove poor Severus to Voldemort. :o) Yes, I am 
being sarcastic too. It is NOT a canon that either James or Sirius 
or Remus EVER had been DE.

Frankly, if the Penseive scene was the worst thing James and Sirius 
did in their lifes, I would be MUCH more afraid of ever trusting 
somebody, who alied with mass murderer than former school bullies.

I suppose you refuse to entertain a motion that some students in 
Hogwarts could have been REALLY afraid of Snape, because he really 
had something to do with Dark Arts. It is your right. It is my right 
to think that such thing is possible. Remember which nickname he 
picked for Lily? But yeah, he was  very upset, I know.





Pip:
 
> Snape isn't a true sadist. *Umbridge* is a true sadist. Umbridge 
is 
> what real sadism looks like. Snape is a git in the fine old 
English 
> tradition of sarcasm so withering you burst into tears, and have 
to 
> be dragged out of the toilet two hours later, you're so upset. 


Alla:

We differ very much. I say Snape is also a true sadist just to the 
lesser degree than Umbridge.