Hands up, whos been possessed? (long)
dungrollin
spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com
Sat Oct 23 21:00:58 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 116301
I've been trawling through the back-posts with that trusty
companion, Yahoo!Mort, searching for `possessed' right back
to June 20th 2003. I know I should have done possess, possesses,
possessing and possession too, (possibly along with posessed,
possesed, posesed, and all the variants thereon), but relations
between Yahoo!Mort and I are getting a little tense now, and we
could do with a breather from each other. So this is it.
(Warning I've inadvertently polished off half a bottle of
red wine, so I may get a fit of the giggles and write something
silly.)
Here are some credits:
Annemehr (74992, 76353); Carol (98789, 115612); Annunathradien
(107595); Erica (92983); LDP (82557); Bohcoo (82530). And, not
forgetting that just being a member of this site means I'm
naturally using others' ideas. Thank you all very much.
Lets start with the animals.
According to Voldy, the night he attacked Harry he lost *his powers
and his body*. He continues: "... I was ripped from my body, I
was less than spirit, less than the meanest ghost ... but still, I
was alive. What I was, even I do not know... I was as powerless as
the weakest creature alive, and without the means to help myself ...
for I had no body, and every spell which might have helped me
required the use of a wand ... Only one power remained to me. I
could possess the bodies of others ... I sometimes inhabited
animals - snakes, of course, being my preference but I was
little better off inside them than as pure spirit, for their bodies
were ill-adapted to perform magic ... and my possession of them
shortened their lives; none of them lasted long..." (GoF, Ch
33: `The Death Eaters')
So he lost all his powers except the ability to possess. He was not
dead, nor was he a ghost, and it was the fact that he didn't have
a body that meant he couldn't perform magic, and possessing
animals wasn't much use as they couldn't hold a wand (which he
didn't have anyway).
Verdict? Yup I'd say that (despite the fact that we only
have Voldy's word for it) they were truly possessed.
Now on to Quirrell.
In PS, nobody actually uses the
words `possessed', `possess', `possession' or
`possessing'.
Voldy says `...I have form only when I can share another's
body...'
DD later says `...perhaps looking for another body to
share...'
Then later still `Quirrell, full of hatred, greed and ambition,
sharing his soul with Voldemort...'
However, in GoF Voldy says: `I took possession of his body, to
supervise him closely as he carried out my orders.'
There are some conflicting messages here. But I'd take DD's
word over Voldy's. So they were *sharing* body *and* soul, then?
Quirrell's awareness is apparently separate from Voldy's.
They converse with each other out loud, Voldy audibly says `he
lies' when Harry fibbed about what he saw in the mirror, and
Quirrell speaks to Voldy out loud too, though we don't hear what
Voldy is saying. Voldemort is definitely *inhabiting* Quirrell, and
can punish him by causing him pain, but he never seems to act
*through* him; rather, he just gives him orders. Doesn't sound
entirely like possession to me.
However, Quirrell does need to drink Unicorn blood. The unicorn
blood can't be to stop Voldy dying, though, since he managed for
years in Albania without it. At the end of PS, Voldy *does*
say "... you saw faithful Quirrell drinking it *for me*..."
(my emphasis). But it's possible that Voldy meant he'd
ordered Quirrell to do it.
It's more likely that Quirrell drank it to ameliorate the effects
of carrying Voldy around so the arrangement may well have been
just as fatal to Quirrell as it was to the Albanian wildlife. But,
hang on... Voldy moves into his body after the failed attack on
Gringott's, July 31st, and the detention with Hagrid takes place
on 26th May (according to the Lexicon). Hagrid says "... it's
the second time in a week. I found one dead last Wednesday."
Which would have been May 20th. From Hagrid's tone
throughout the
detention, it seems to me that the attacks on the unicorns are a
recent phenomenon. So Quirrell's lasted a good while carrying
Voldy around without snuffing it.
It appears (to me) that there was a sharing agreement (sounds like a
holiday-home in the Algarve) but Voldy would occasionally possess
Quirrell to punish him. If he were possessed the whole time, he
would not "...find it hard to follow my master's
instructions..."
The problem is that we don't know how quickly full-time
possession kills, we don't know if a short-term possession can be
recovered from, or whether the effects are cumulative, and we
don't know if witches and wizards can last longer while being
possessed than can rodents and reptiles.
Verdict? Sometimes, possibly; but not most of the time.
Lets move on to Ginny.
In CoS, again, nobody actually uses the
words `possessed', `possess', `possession' or
`possessing'.
Riddle says `...I've always been able to charm the people I
needed...'
Then later: `So I made Ginny write her own farewell on the wall
and come down here to wait. She struggled and cried and became
*very* boring. But there isn't much life left in her: she put
too much into the diary, into me...'
After the fun, DD says `...how Lord Voldemort managed to enchant
Ginny...'
And later `Older and wiser wizards than she have been hoodwinked
by Lord Voldemort.'
The biggest problem with Ginny's (so-called) possessions, is that
she doesn't remember anything about them. Which has led many to
believe that either the possession was of a different nature to
those effected by present-day Voldy, or that she wasn't truly
possessed.
However, lets just look at what Diary!Tom says in the chamber
when he quotes what Ginny ended up writing "...There was another
attack today and I don't know where I was. Tom, what am I going
to do? I think I'm going mad ... I think I'm the one attacking
everyone, Tom!"
It's fairly certain that if Ginny had known from the beginning
what she was doing, she'd have stopped trusting the diary
immediately.
Diary!Tom also says "Of course, she didn't *know* what she
was doing at first." Well, if you were Diary!Tom and you'd
spent a while charming the girl, being sympathetic and kind, getting
to know her. Realising what kind of Gryffindor she was, would you
then let her keep the memory of what she was doing if you had an
alternative?
No. I wouldn't either.
Verdict? Possibly possessed for short periods of time with memory-
modification afterwards. Or, possessed in a different way to the way
the present-day Voldy does it. Or, not possessed at all
something different.
Now lets get on to Harry.
The one clear instance we have of possession is in the MoM. It's
unbearably painful for Harry so much so that he wishes he could
die. He's "...wrapped in the coils of a creature with red
eyes, so tightly bound that Harry did not know where his body ended
and the creature's began: they were fused together, bound by
pain, and there was no escape
And when the creature spoke, it used Harry's mouth...
Blinded and dying, every part of him screaming for release..."
And so on and so forth.
Harry was clearly possessed.
But what about the other incidents? What about the night of Mr.
Weasley's attack? What about the vision of Rookwood? What about
the eye-contact with DD...?
"At once, Harry's scar burned white-hot, as though the old
wound had burst open again and unbidden, unwanted, but
terrifyingly strong, there rose within Harry a hatred so powerful he
felt, for that instant, he would like nothing better than to strike
to bite to sink his fangs into the man before him "
Is this also possession? There's the pain, true enough, but
it's centred in the scar, not all-encompassing. It's not
really very similar to the true possession in the MoM. This is just
after the attack on Mr. Weasley, and Voldy has (apparently) just
figured out the connection. DD says later "I thought I saw a
shadow
of him stir behind your eyes..."
(Now, I know DD's a clever chap, and all, but how exactly does
one
see a shadow of LV stirring behind someone's eyes? Couldn't
be
something to do with the red/green eye thing, could it?)
I suspect that this instance is Voldy seeing Harry's point of
view, in the same way that Harry saw Voldy's before. But because
of the scar, Harry can also feel Voldy's emotions - the hatred
that
is a result of Voldy seeing DD through Harry's eyes. Which makes
me
wonder... Voldy doesn't have a scar so is he able to feel
Harry's emotions? Or is the link equal in both directions?
If it is equal in both directions, then... Well, Voldy seeing
through Harry's eyes should happen when *Voldy's* `mind
is most relaxed and vulnerable ... asleep, for instance...' I
can't imagine that it's because his mind just happens to be
relaxed
and vulnerable Voldy's an accomplished Legilimens, I'd
imagine he's a damned fine Occlumens too. Which would mean that
in order to take advantage of the mind-link, in order to gather
information from seeing through Harry's eyes, he'd have to
chill out. And I can't imagine him being very good at that, to be
honest. Could it be that in this instance Voldy needs recuperation
time after the possession of Nagini at the MoM?
The visions that Harry sees through the mind-link with Voldy are
not, IMO possession. They are something entirely different. They
are the only events in the books, that we have seen, that break the
rule that `time and space matter in magic.'
Just briefly back to Ginny and Diary!Tom, before I go back to the
rest of that red wine...
If Diary!Tom can create himself a body by stealing Ginny's soul,
why can't Vapo!Mort? There must be something fundamentally
different about the two. Diary!Tom can do a whole load of things
that Vapo!Mort can't. Particularly if he *was* possessing Ginny,
and wiped her mind afterwards. JKR refused to say what would have
happened if Ginny had died, except that it would have strengthened
the present-day Voldemort considerably.
So what exactly *was* Vapo!Mort? Even Himself admits that he
doesn't know. Less than the meanest ghost, but not as powerful
as memories... I'm beginning to think that this is a very
important question. Any theories lurking out there?
(Sighs)... This has taken me much longer than I expected. (Though,
admittedly, much of that was spent trying to decide whether to use a
question mark or exclamation mark in the subject heading).
Hope it's provoked some ideas, though.
I remain, as ever,
Dungrollin.
BTW, a quote for the FEATHERBOAS:
"We're more of the love, blood and rhetoric school ... Well,
we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you
blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three,
concurrent or consecutive; but we can't do you love and rhetoric
without the blood. Blood is compulsory."
- Stoppard.
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