Dirty Harry / 'Good' Harry (WAS: The intended murder of Pettigrew and

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 116773


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "delwynmarch" 
<delwynmarch at y...> wrote:
> 
> kelsey wrote:
> " And I guess that's why I can't see Harry lying, cheating, 
stealing,
>  using unforgivable curses, putting bullets in the head of evildoers
> and sleeping soundly."
 
Del:
> Hum. While I agree that Harry has a very good core, I also think 
that
> he's shown he can do some of those things without too much remorse.
> 
> Lying : he does it pretty often. In OoP, he lied to his friends 
about
> why he stopped the Occlumency lessons, for example, and he lied 
about
> practicing it. In CoS, he lied right in the face of DD about having
> nothing troubling him, while at the same time thinking of half a 
dozen
> things really troubling him. In GoF, he lied to his friends and to
> Hagrid about having figured out the Egg clue. He might sometimes 
feel
> a bit remorseful about it at the moment he does it, but it usually
> doesn't prevent him from sleeping soundly.
> 
> Cheating : he copies Hermione's homework. In my book, that's 
cheating.
> And he has no remorse about it.
> 
> Stealing : I can't remember him stealing, but I do remember that he
> helped and supported Hermione when she stole the ingredients for the
> Polyjuice potion from Snape's office. He had no remorse about it.
> 
> Using Unforgivable curses : he didn't manage it, he didn't have what
> it takes (thankfully !), but he had every *intention* to Crucio
> Bellatrix. He also fantasized once about Crucioing Snape. And he 
still
> hasn't shown any remorse over either his fantasy or his attempt.
> 
> Putting bullets in people's heads : I guess you mean using AK ;-) ? 
I
> agree on that one : I don't see him using the very thing that killed
> his mother and made him an orphan. Except maybe on LV, if he was
> somehow accidently taught how to do it. But after the fiasco of the
> Crucio, and considering what it takes morally to train into using 
the
> Ak, I don't see Harry willingly getting himself trained to AK 
anyone,
> not even LV. (But on the other hand, if he somehow convinced himself
> that this is the right track, then I don't see him having any 
remorse
> over it.)

Geoff:
Hands up, those of you who, as teenagers, have lied, stolen, cheated, 
been selfish, let friends down, hated people enough to want to hurt 
them....

Hands up, those of you who, as adults, have lied, stolen, cheated, 
been selfish, let friends down, hated people enough to want to hurt 
them....

Any combination of the above permissible.

I wonder how many of you didn't raise a hand - because you were 
perhaps unwilling to admit to such things.

"If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a 
stone.." (John 8:7)

Geoff
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