TT!DD & Timing of Sirius' Death (Re: Lupin visiting Sirius in Azkaban)

[Brenda M.]

No: HPFGUIDX 111750

>> LadyKat wrote: *waves hello*

Bren now: *waves hello back*


>>> LadyKat: If DD is/was traveling through time, or had knowledge of 
the future as some have speculated, then he would have known that 
this series of events _had_ to unfold in the way they have (so far) 
to get Harry to the point where he is ready to do whatever it is he 
has to do. If we accept that time travel is involved (and I'm not 
convinced it is - it's just a possiblity at this point), than it is 
possible that DD has seen _many_ possible futures, and this is just 
the one that JKR is telling us about. <<<

Bren now:

Thank you for pointing that out! A lot of posters have suspected DD 
of time-traveling many times, but I never thought to make the 
connection here. Of course, if he knew everything had to happen this 
way then it could just be why he didn't visit Sirius in Azkaban (that 
we know of). Like you mentioned later, it seems out of character for 
DD to "blindly accept the party line".

I must disagree with your "DD has seen _many_ possible futures" 
remark, however. I believe there is one time line, one future. But 
your main point is that DD has seen the future (regardless of how 
many) and he knows things must work out this way for the future to 
happen that way - and I can see how it could work.

But then if he really knew the future well as we speculate, why did 
he make the "mistake" of not telling Harry about the Prophecy as he 
claims? (of course if anyone has read my other posts, they'd know I 
don't regard that as 'mistake', just a clever move, but that's for 
another fight... I mean thread ;P) If DD knew he couldn't have told 
Harry sooner, that hardly makes it a mistake. Unless he wished to 
make himself look like an old fool to Harry, because Harry needed to 
carry on his action, provoked by disgust at finding out DD's 
fallibility. Which makes me very sad.

 
>>> LadyKat: Maybe he felt that the safest place for Sirius to be was 
in Azkaban? [snip] DD may have felt that in order to keep Sirius 
alive (maybe to protect him from himself - he is well-known for 
acting first and thinking second), he needed to be locked up. Yes - 
it stinks - but Sirius will survive. <<<

Brenda:

Couple that with JKR's "Sirius had to die" comment, the conclusion we 
get would be: the TIMING of Sirius' death is just as crucial as the 
event itself to the plot. What do we know about the circumstances 
before Sirius' death?

- 4-year-experience of fighing off Voldemort and lessons Harry 
learned along the way
- the mental connection grew strong and both became aware of its 
existense
- Harry "learned" Occlumency and learned (the hard way) that 
Voldemort could abuse this connection
- Established strong relationship with Sirius, Harry loves him so 
much that the loss of Sirius pains him so much to drive Voldemort off

Although, I must ask you, why do you think that Azkaban was the best 
option for ensuring Sirius' survival? Was he in immediate danger once 
he got released? It would have taken a thorough investigation (and 
much paperwork) to be able to release the notorious mass murderer. 
Not to mention the vivid 'thinking outside of box' logic and 
imagination, something most wizards seem to be lacking.
People will not want him loose on the streets. The whole process 
would take years. Did the DEs have reason to eliminate Sirius after 
his acquittal? What for? So unless someone had some sirius grudge 
against Sirius, I wouldn't say he was in great danger. Locking up 
someone who you know to be innocent in a prison like Azkaban just to 
make sure he remains alive, is a bit harsh IMO.


>>> LadyKat: We know that he (DD) was willing to have Harry grow up 
in a place that was quite unpleasant, just to ensure his survival. <<<

Bren now: To me, leaving Harry with the Dursley to prevent fame-
contamination was a very prudent guidance. More than just a means to 
ensure his survival. He's looking at the long-term development of 
Harry as a whole. Become a person before anything else. Yes, the 10 
years of loveless life is very cruel and fatal to a growing child 
indeed, but IMO Dumbledore believed Harry would be strong enough to 
fight it.


>>> LadyKat: Thanks for not laughing too hard at my idea! LOL!

Now now Cat lady, why would anyone do that? <g>


Brenda