Grimmauld Place / Death Certificate please.

[hannahmarder]

No: HPFGUIDX 112042

mhbobbin <mhbobbin at y...> wrote:
> Will the WW actually learn of the death of Sirius and how? He fell 
> behind the veil but there is no body. <snip> There were witnesses 
> but no independent ones. As far as I can tell the witnesses were 
> DD, Lupin, Bellatrix, Harry and Neville. I think all other members 
> of the Order and DEs are unconcious or not in the room. Of all the
> kids, only Harry and Neville are still in the fight.


Hannah now: 
Kingsley Shacklebolt was there and conscious.  He carried 
on Sirius' duel with Bellatrix.  Moody may also have regained 
conciousness by this point as he crawls over to Tonks shortly 
after.  

> mhbobbin: 
> Along with this:  Much has been made of the Death Eaters being 
> captured at the Ministry.  But what about the Phoenix members? Will 
> it matter that Tonks and Shacklebolt are no longer undercover for 
> the Order. Maybe not to everyone. Maybe not officially. But maybe.


Hannah now: 
I agree this may make some difference, but I think it would have to 
be unofficially.  After all, Tonks and Shacklebolt would be the least surprising people to have been found fighting death eaters in the 
ministry, since the MoM is paying them to do just that!  Now that 
LV's return has been accepted, there isn't any need for them to be 
undercover order members, since the ministry is theoretically on the 
same side now.  But it might be a bit harder to explain why the gallant 
aurors were accompanied by a headmaster on the run from the law, an 
unemployed werewolf, a retired auror and a group of schoolchildren! ;-)
As for Sirius, his presence at the ministry would probably be 
believed given that he was the supposed ringleader of the death 
eaters.  It may also be possible for Shacklebolt or even DD to 
convince Fudge that he had been killed, though it would probably be 
necessary to pretend he was fighting for the other side at the time.