DD's agenda (was LV's survival )

[carolynwhite2]

No: HPFGUIDX 112225

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" <kkearney at s...> 
wrote:
Carolyn wrote:

> > Only two wands that we know of have phoenix cores, Voldemort's 
and Harry's (...) I think it was inevitable that Harry's wand would 
choose him, because,as you say, Harry has a power to equal Voldemort. 
DD already guessed this would be the case from the prophecy, and from 
his knowledge of Voldemort's powers; he didn't have to force or risk 
anything.

And Jen replied:

> The only thing that bothers me here is a point Hannah brought up in 
post 112124. She said:
>
> "And he {Ollivander} makes Harry try lots of others first, which 
seems a risky course of action. A wizard must suit more than one 
wand, otherwise how do people ever manage when they break one. What 
if another good wand had turned up? Why not just say; 'let's try this 
one,' present the Fawkes-wand and save a lot of trouble. Harry 
wouldn't have known any different!"
>

Catlady further pointed out in 112143:

The wands Harry tried in Ollivander's shop included: ""Maple and 
phoenix feather. Seven inches. Quite whippy."

Comparing Harry's with Tom's situation, Ffred said in post 112179:
Putting yourself into the shoes of the young Tom Riddle (for whom all 
this was extremely new), then I think it would have been equally 
remarkable (and therefore equally _un_remarkable) no matter what his 
wand had been made of.

Now Corinth says:
Jumping into the middle of this conversation (as always). But are we 
assuming Ollivander was in on this? Perhaps Dumbledore commissioned 
the wand without specifying who he planned it for.

You ask why Ollivander would wait so long to present that wand. I 
agree, why did he wait so long?
(snip canon quotes)
Perhaps trying to figure out exactly what Dumbledore might be 
planning by giving Harry the brother wand to
Voldemort's. And it would certainly explain why he immediately 
contacted Dumbledore once the wand sold.

Carolyn again:
Perceptive comment Corinth <g>, I think you are entirely right. It 
would be exactly like Dumbledore not to fully explain his plan to 
Ollivander. Remember, it is Ollivander who says 'After all, He Who 
Must Not Be Named did great things - terrible, yes, but great'. Many 
have speculated as to exactly which side Ollivander is on. Like many 
in the WW, he clearly admires magical power for its own sake. I think 
that, in effect, he is an arms dealer who takes no moral position as 
to whom he sells his weapons to, but instead maintains a keen 
professional interest in the technical capabilities of his creations. 
More greyness, more grit, more uncertainty ...

He is also no fool and Dumbledore is a pretty important client. He 
would have been aware of the special powers inherent in Fawkes' 
feathers which Dumbledore had given him to create the wands, the 
significance of the wood he had been asked to use, and the special 
powers that the people who selected those wands must have. He also 
cannot be unaware that the two wands will not not work against each 
other. I think he offered Harry more and more wands (including others 
with different phoenix cores) because he was trying to test his own 
disbelief that this 'coincidence', 'act of fate','choice' etc could 
really be happening [and yet another reason to criticise that movie 
sequence..but I digress]. 

Incidentally, someone mentioned upthread (sorry, can't find exactly 
who) something along the lines of only people with a pure heart could 
choose a wand with a phoenix core, especially from Fawkes. Not only 
does this pose problems with Tom Riddle, but it also isn't exactly 
what FBWTFT says. It just says that phoenix *song* is magical and 
reputed to increase the courage of the pure of heart and strike fear 
into the hearts of the impure. 

Going back to where this thread started - DD's agenda. I think all 
this only reinforces my point that DD had a wand created from Fawkes' 
feather that initially was intended to help him select the next most 
powerful wizard/witch. Tom Riddle selected that wand, and DD gave him 
special attention when he arrived at Hogwarts, treated him as a 
potential protege. But it all went horribly wrong for some reason. 
Later, having heard the prophecy, DD had another wand created to 
double-check that Harry was the one who could help him defeat 
Voldemort, and also, at the same time, built in another safeguard 
(the wands couldn't work against each other), which might help the 
owner of that wand at some point in a future duel situation.

However, in a sense, the whole point is now irrelevant, as having 
discovered their wands are no use, Harry and Voldemort are going to 
have to use their innate powers to slug it out some other way.

Carolyn