Time-turning (was: Snape and DADA)

[tylerswaxlion]

No: HPFGUIDX 112454

Chancie:

 But my thoughts are if it is "impossible to change time" WHY 
> have a time turner to begin with???  What's the point of having the
ability 
> to go back in time, and just look at things?  


TL:  You can do much more than just look at things.  Hermione took
classes and examinations.  Harry went back in time and saved his own
life.  


Chancie:
>And also, why was Hermione so concerned with getting back before the
last chime of the clock?  If it is 
> as you say, then she would automatically end up there on time,
because everything had already played out.  

TL:
They need to be locked up in the infirmary for 2 reasons.  1st, so
that they can't be blamed for freeing Sirius--b/c everyone knows they
were locked in the infirmary.  2nd, so that no one knows they
time-travelled.

By time-turning, they went back to a time before the door was
locked--that's how they escaped.  They vanished from the room back
through time.  When they reached the time where they vanished from the
infirmary again (after re-living those 3 hours), they didn't have to
be back in there, but being elsewhere would have raised questions as
to how they got out (the time-turner) and would have blown their alibi.

No one is supposed to know Hermione has a TT.  Vanishing from a room
in a place where it is impossible to Apparate or Disapparate would
make certain professors go hmmmmmm...


>Why was she "warned" not to change the 
> past as Naama reminded us?  If she couldn't CHANGE anything, then
why worry 
> with a warning?  Also, I just found a quote that might help:

She could drive herself crazy trying to change something.  She wasn't
in Cheering Charms class.  She's never going to make it to that class,
because she was never there.  But she could keep TTing and trying to
get back there, getting older and older as she lives extra hours by
reliving time.

Not to mention bad things could easily happen if students/professors
see multiple copies of Hermione running around.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> "Harry, I don't understand what Dumbledore wants us to do.  Why did
he tell 
> us to go back three hours?  How's that going to help Sirius?"<Hermione>
> 
> Harry stared at her shadowy face.
> "There must be something that *HAPPENED* around now he wants us to
*CHANGE*" 
> he said slowly.  <Harry>
> 
> (The emphisis is mine of course)
> POA, Chapter21 page 396 American Paperback. 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Chancie:
> So even Harry and Hermione seem to know that the TT gives them the
chance 
> to *CHANGE* time.  Of course Harry was the one who said this, but
since he 
> said it to Hermione, and wasn't corrected (like she does for example
when 
> anyone sugests someone's apparating on Hogwarts grounds) by saying
"we can't 
> change time only do what we've already done" seems to mean that you CAN 
> change time.  Hermione I'm sure read up on the TT or got additional
info 
> (as she always does) would have known what is possible and what isn't.  
> 
> Well that's my take on the TT (once again) I don't expect it to
change any 
> of your point of views, but maybe it will give my argument a little
more 
> weight.
> 



I read it differently.  Dumbledore tells them more than one innocent
life can be saved.  Dumbledore at this time knows Beaky isn't dead,
and he HOPES Sirius can be saved.  

And it's Harry saying CHANGE above, and he's just learned about them
and doesn't know any of the rules.  

Hermione, on the other hand, doesn't see how going back three hours 
is going to help **SIRIUS**.  She knows that Sirius has been caught,
locked up and the dementors are on the way.  She knows there's nothing
they can do to change *that*, which is why she doesn't understand what
Dumbledore wants them to do.  She's trying to figure out who the other
"innocent" is and why 3 hours.  At this point, she still thinks Beaky
is dead, but Dumbledore's hint and Harry's guess helps her figure it out.

As for not correcting Harry, she's concentrating on what Dumbledore
wants her to do.  

-TL