PoA Time-travel Question for those who think the past ca...

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TL wrote

We've all been debating using examples from science, logic, other
stories, etc., but I firmly believe that in PoA the past is NEVER
changed.  Whether or not it CAN change in JKR's world may be an
outside the novel debate.  Maybe wizards *can* change the past, but
they DO NOT CHANGE IT in PoA.

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It seems that a few people may have over looked this post made yesterday that 
DEFINITELY confirms that time CAN be changed and it has happened before.  Below 
are some quotes, that maybe helpful to you.  I do see your point about 
Buckbeak, and the patronus, but as far as TT giving the ability to change things, well the quotes below will help.

Chancie


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> But my thoughts are if it is "impossible to change time" WHY 
> have a time turner to begin with???  What's the point of having 
>the ability to go back in time, and just look at things?  And also, 
>why was Hermione so concerned with getting back before the last 
>chime of the clock?  If it is as you say, then she would 
>automatically end up there on time, because everything had already 
>played out.  Why was she "warned" not to change the 
> past as Naama reminded us?  If she couldn't CHANGE anything, then 
>why worry with a warning? 


"K":

I have to agree with what you said. I'm going to list a few canon 
bits, including one you already mentioned.

~~'There must be something that happened around now he wants us to
change,' he said slowly.
PoA/Ch 21/Pg 290/UK


"K":
Why would Dumbledore send Harry and Hermione back to change 
something that can't be changed?


~'Hermione,' said Harry suddenly, 'what if we-we just run in there,
and grab Pettigrew-'

'No!' said Hermione in a terrified whisper. 'Don't you understand? 
**We're breaking one of the most important wizarding laws! Nobody's 
supposed to change time, nobody! You heard Dumbledore, if we're seen-
PoA/Ch 21/Pgs 291-291/UK


"K":
*Hermione - terrified whisper
*One of the most important wizarding laws
*Nobody's supposed to change time
*Nobody



~~'We'd only be seen by ourselves and Hagrid!'

'Harry, what do you think you'd do if you saw yourself bursting into
Hagrid's house?' said Hermione.

'I'd-I'd think I'd gone mad,' said Harry, 'or I'd think there was 
some
Dark Magic going on-'

'Exactly! You wouldn't understand, you might even attack yourself! 
Don't you see? Professor McGonagall told me what awful things have
happened when wizards have meddled with time...loads of them ended up
killing their past or future selves by mistake!'
PoA/Ch 21/pg 292/UK


"K":

*Awful things have happened when wizards have meddled with time. 
*...loads of them ended up killing their past or future selves by 
mistake!

So, wizards have made mistakes when meddling with time. Loads of 
them have killed themselves and it was a *mistake*. It wasn't what 
would have happened naturally.



~~'OK,' said Hermione, getting a firmer grip on Buckbeatk's 
rope. 'But we've got to keep out of sight, Harry, remember...'
PoA/Ch 21/pg 295/UK

'Harry, we mustn't be seen!'
PoA/Ch 21/pg 296/UK

'See?' Hermione whispered. 'See what would have happened?' We've got 
to keep out of sight!
PoA/Ch 21/pg 296/UK

'Harry,' Hermione muttered...'we've got to stay put. We mustn't be 
seen. There's nothing we can do...'
PoA/Ch 21/pg 298/UK

"K":
How many times does Hermione tell Harry they must not be seen? 



~~'...There's nothing we can do! We came back to help Sirius. We're 
not supposed to be doing anything else!'
PoA/Ch 21/pg 298/UK

'There goes Lupin,' Hermione whispered. 'He's transforming-'

'Hermione!' said Harry suddenly. 'We've got to move!'

'We mustn't, I keep telling you-'

'Not to interfere! But Lupin's going to run into the Forest, right at
us!'
PoA/Ch 21/pg 299/UK



~~'I think I'd better go outside again, you know,' said Harry 
slowly. 'I can't see what's going on - we won't know when it's time-'

Hermione looked up. Her expression was suspicious.

'I'm not going to try and interfere,' said Harry quickly. 'But if we
don't see what's going on, how're we going to know when it's time to
rescue Sirius?'
PoA/Ch 21/pg 299/UK

"K":

*'We're not supposed to be doing anything else!'
*Hermione looked up. Her expression was suspicious.

'I'm not going to try and interfere,' said Harry quickly.

"K":
It's obvious one can interfere with time.


~~'Hermione-what'll happen-if we don't get back inside-before 
Dumbledore
locks the door?' Harry panted.


'I don't want to think about it!' Hermione moaned, checking her watch
again. 'One minute!'
PoA/Ch 22/pg 305/UK

What would happen if Harry and Hermione did not get back in time 
before the door was locked? 

I'm not particularly fond of time travel but I do feel PoA was just 
the introduction.

"K"


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