Who Knows of the Death of Sirius

[mhbobbin]

No: HPFGUIDX 112721

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "staceymateo" 
<staceymateo at g...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "mhbobbin" <mhbobbin at y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > mhbobbin writes:
> > 
> > I was rereading the end of the OotP, and what struck me this 
time 
> > was that there were numerous Prophet articles that announced the 
> > return of Voldethingy, the revolt of the Dementors, the 
vindication 
> > of Harry, the appearance of DEs at the Mom but not a word about 
the 
> > presumed death of Sirius Black. Not a word.
> 
> Stacey here:
> snip..Since Pettigrew is still "Missing in Action", so to 
> speak, Sirius is not considered "not guilty" of the street 
incident 
> in which Pettigrew "died".  Better to not make it a public 
> announcement which creates more questions than gives answers.

mhbobbin:
snip...
> >  I tried to determine who knew already about the death and it 
was 
> > only the kids who were there or the members of the Order.Draco 
and 
> > his gang don't mention it and they've never passed up a taunt 
> > opportunity. So it seems only like a very close circle of people 
> > know.
> > 
> >  With one exception. Nearly Headless Nick knows.  So I'm 
wondering 
> > if Nick was briefed personally by DD, in preparation for Harry 
to 
> > discuss death  with him, or if there is more information 
available 
> > that JKR has just omitted. Like the obituary on Page 6 of the 
> > Prophet.
> > 
> > I suspect it was just DD telling Nick and in confidence. 
> 
> Stacey here:
> I don't suspect that Nick found out from Dumbledore about the 
death 
> of Sirius.  Without having my copy with me here at work, I am 
working 
> from memory, and in Nick's conversation with Harry, they discuss 
how 
> someone becomes a ghost.  Nick plainly states that the person has 
to 
> be afraid of dying to cling to the living world as a ghost.  Nick 
> also states that the person has to unhappy with their life to 
become 
> a ghost.  I can't think of anyone (save Harry) who was more 
unhappy 
> with their life than Sirius.  I think Nick knows this about Sirius 
> because he has seen him, and Sirius will become a ghost.
> 
> mhbobbin now:

Nick knows about the death of Sirius. My question is how does Nick 
know?  It's not public information. The only ones who mention it are 
Order members and the kids who went with Harry to the Ministry. Nick 
knows why Harry seeks him out. Nick knows that Sirius is dead AND 
that Sirius was important to Harry.  Outside Harry's circle, those 
two pieces of information are not known.

So if you don't suspect that DD informed Nick in anticipation that 
Harry would eventually seek Nick out...do you have any other 
explanation for Nick's knowledge?


Mhbobbin