The Sneak Mark (was "Slytherin" Hermione?)

[huntergreen_3]

No: HPFGUIDX 112801

HunterGreen previously:
> But she was acting on an internalized sense of values, just a
> different set of values than Hermione. That's the thing with
> values, everyone has different ones. Especially in this case,
> where to obey or disobey authority is so subjective, varying
> from person to person, mostly based on the experiences they've
> had, and (as evidenced by Seamus and Neville) their family.

Totorivers replied:
>>Values? Where are the values on going against a group that should
not be illegal, learing lessons that a normal teacher would have
taught them...<<

HunterGreen:
The fact is that it WAS illegal. And the school was being told that 
if they knew people that were breaking the rules that it was their 
job to step forward and report those things. Sort of like knowing 
that certain students are using drugs on school grounds, or cheating 
on tests, or doing other things that break the rules. In this case, 
the rule is arbitrary and stupid, but that doesn't mean that EVERYONE 
sees it that way. 

Totorivers:
>> There was no "right" that Marietta could see in it. In
fact, we learn from who that she betrayed out of fear, and she
chose students to be expelled over the fear of her mother who
*could* have been sacked.<<

HunterGreen:
Um, where does it say that? As far as we know (as readers), the 
reason she betrayed the group is up for debate. Personally, I see it 
as a result of pressure from her family and society, not from a 
specific threat. Isn't it also cowardice to allow people to do 
something you think is wrong? 

Totorivers:
>> And do I have to remind you that being
expelled means no more magic for the whole person's life, meaning
that, as they don't either have a muggle education, they are
screwed? Marietta was selfish *and* egotistical. She knew and agreed
that Umbridge went too far (or else Cho and her group came only
because of Cho's crush on Harry)...<<

HunterGreen:
I'm not saying what she did was right, just that it didn't violate 
*her* values. If Umbridge found out about the group on her own, 
Marietta would have been expelled along with them, even though she 
didn't necessarily follow the anti-Umbridge idealogy. And unlike 
Harry or the Weasleys, she didn't have a family who would understand 
why she was in a group like that. I'm sure her mother would be 
horrified, and may have already asked her if she knew anything about 
it (or spoke about it in front of her, assuming that she would NEVER 
be in a group like that).