The Sneak Mark (was "Slytherin" Hermione?)

[totorivers]

No: HPFGUIDX 112993

> Theotokos:
>  
> This is where you got me, Pippin.  I find it hard, if I am being honest with 
myself, to disagree here.  (HELP somebody come up with a good argument so 
I don't have to feel like I am equating Hermione with Umbridge!)  Hermione has 
always been a bit bold.  She butts into the train cabin in PS/SS to tell R and H 
their business, i.e. put on your robes.  She continues this behavior through half 
the book until R and H save her and they become friends, at which time 
nothing changes but H and R forgive her more often.
  
Toto:
    I don't see what she does as "boldness", in fact she just act as a new student 
afraid of not being able to fit in... And she only "forces" or bother someone, later 
on, when it is a matter of life and death (sorry but slavery is)... For the D.A, 
Hermione had more right than Harry to deal with Marietta... Harry can be a 
teacher, and deals punishment if one trangress a rule over how one behave 
during the lesson, but Hermione is "the board of governor", and she has the 
right to decide the fitting punishment for one who trangress the initial 
agreement over coming in.

thokos
> 
> It is true she did not consult with Harry or Ron on the jinx she put on the 
parchment, just as Delores did not consult Fudge when she sent those 
Dementors to that alley.  She, Umbridge, believed she was taking care of a 
problem in an effective manner with little to no fuss.  She is, however, twisted.  
I can't say Hermione is twisted.  I find the zit jinx humorous like so many of the 
WW jinxes.  What about Ginny's bat-boogie hex (sp?)?  And Crabbe and 
Goyels boils and Ron's slugs.  The WW is not for the faint of heart.  
  
Toto:  
     Just as Harry did not consult with Hermione about his dreams because he 
knows she is right, and so on... Hermione has her own life, and the da is her 
own project, and Harry and Ron did sign after all.... Maybe she wasn't even sure 
she could trust them?

theokos:
> Umbridge tried to murder Harry for purporting an idea she disagrees with and 
fears.  Hermione would never permanently disfigure or kill someone--except in 
self-defense.  Hermione, does however, need to reassess her motives and 
value system.  She really must stop with SPEW.  She needs a wake-up call.  I 
love her but, you are correct Pippin, she is not always right and she is heading 
down a slippery slope.

Toto:
       What has she done with spew that is so bad? She is doing it in a bad way 
as of now, but that is because she doesn't know how to do it. As  I have said 
more than once before, the argument that house elf like it is the same that was 
used for keeping black slaves...