Harry's protection

[cubfanbudwoman]

No: HPFGUIDX 113024

Pippin:
>>>> I'd say there is loads of unselfish love in the books--
sacrificial love is only the most spectacular example of it.<<<<

Kneasy: 
>>> Give me ten examples.  Should be easy if there's 'loads', but I 
think you'll have great difficulty in doing so.<<<

Pippin:
> > Off the top of my head
> > James dies to defend Lily and Harry
> > Lily dies to defend Harry
> > Ron sacrifices himself in the chess game
> > Molly takes Harry into the Weasley family
> > Harry goes to rescue Ginny
> > Harry defends Dumbledore to Riddle
> > Sirius offers a home to Harry
> > Harry rescues Sirius and Buckbeak
> > Molly's hug (GoF)
> > Harry thinking of Ron and Hermione as he fights the dementors 
> > Harry thinking of Sirius as he struggles with Voldemort

> > That's eleven. I'm sure there are more.
 
Naama: 
> > Ginny defending Harry (standing up to Draco).
> > Dumbledore not telling Harry about the prophecy.
> > The second task in the tournament (Krum->Hermione, Cedric->Cho, 
> > Fleur-Gabrielle).
> > Molly, Molly, Molly - the thing that scares her most is the death 
> > of members of her family (including Harry!), not anything that 
> > would happen to her.
> > Hermione endlessly helping Harry (and Ron and Hagrid) whenever 
> > they need her.
> > Hagrid towards his monster pets (particularly Norbert, of course).
> > Hagrid towards Dumbledore and the trio.
> > Petunia towards Dudley AND Vernon towards both Petunia and Dudley.
> > Winkey towards the Crouch family (it's not just the magical bond -
> > she continues to love and want to serve them even after the bond 
> > is  severed).
> > Sirius risking being caught in order to help Harry (in GoF).
> > Ron facing up to his arachnophobia in order to help save Hermione.
> > Ron joining Harry to go save Ginny.

Kneasy: 
> You're cheating - all of you.
> Just what I expected.
> Very few of these involve true sacrifice and most of the others 
> can be considered as being motivated by things other than love.
>
> Using the above as a guideline I could just as easily put forward
> Voldy/Nagini, Kreacher/Mrs Black on the wall or Bella/Voldy.
> 
> To the incurably romantic almost anything can be regarded as an
> aspect of 'love'; not to a miserable curmudgeon like me though.
> 
> Kneasy


SSSusan:
*I'M* not cheating! <g> I told you I think it's quite rare, at least 
the kind of unselfish love which actually leads to self-sacrifice. 
But I do think there ARE some real examples of unselfish love here.  
And Pippin's got a point, in another post, that we know Voldy/Nagini 
*isn't* one of them since Voldy has never loved.  

I would agree that some of the examples--esp. the ones which came 
along after Pippin's & Naama's lists--don't necessarily fit as 
unselfish LOVE.  Some of them are perhaps motivated by loyalty, 
friendship, duty, honor, or maybe even fear & guilt.  BUT some of the 
things on these two lists I'd say do fit the bill.  

James' & Lily's deaths, Molly's GoF hug, DD not telling Harry about 
the prophecy [well, maybe that one *is* selfish], the Hagrid 
examples.  Heck, Bella for Voldy may fit, too.  In my opinion, these 
are pretty defendable as being unselfish love.

Siriusly Snapey Susan...who loves Pippin's phrase "sacrificial love 
is only the most spectacular example of [unselfish love]".