Lupin and Boggart+Legilimency

pippin_999 foxmoth at qnet.com
Wed Sep 15 21:20:33 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 113073

Pippin:
>  >  Lupin never manages to turn the orb into something funny,
  and he never uses Riddikulus to make the boggart explode.<<

> 
> Olivier
> 
> Ah Pippin, I know you always suspect Lupin whenever 
something fishy  happens, but here, isn't it a bit too far fetched?
> 
> Lupin does take care of Molly's boggart, does teach the spell 
very properly (which implies that he has at least some 
knowledge of it).<

Pippin:
It's very fishy how he does it though:
---
Lupin looked from Mrs. Weasley to the dead Harry on the floor 
and seemed to understand in an instant. Pulling out his own 
wand, he said, very firmly and clearly, "Riddikulus."

Harry's body vanished. A silvery orb hung in the air over the spot 
where it had lain. Lupin waved his wand once more and the orb 
vanished in a puff of smoke.
-----

The spell, though properly spoken, quite clearly fails, since the 
boggart assumes the silvery orb form which Lupin fears. Lupin 
then waves his wand, doesn't say the magic words, and the 
boggart vanishes with no mention of an explosion. He can't have 
done the riddikulus spell silently, because we know that a silent 
spell is weaker than a spoken one, and the spoken one didn't 
work. 

Also, there's no explosion, just a vanishing--which could be the 
result of a vanishing spell. Granted vanishing is more complex 
magic than riddikulus, but you have to be able to laugh to do 
riddikulus, and I can't remember Lupin laughing at all.

I know the teachers on the list are tired of this old quote, but as 
George Bernard Shaw said, "Those who can, do. Those who 
can't, teach."

Olivier:
> It is true that in PoA he never destroys the Boggart. Why would 
he  destroy it when it is such a nice practical test for students?<

Pippin:
But he does allow Neville to destroy a Boggart. "Forward Neville, 
and finish him off.'" 


Oliver:
> As a side note, I have a question for you. In PoA, flight of a the 
fat  lady, when Lupin and Harry have tea, it is suggested (in the 
light of  OoP) that Lupin reads Harry's mind.
> <snip>
> 
> If we accept that idea, it is fair to surmise that Lupin knows 
Sirius  has met Harry.<
> Now, with my pro-Lupin mind, you guess what I make of that, 
but I was  wondering if you had already considered it.<

Pippin:
If Lupin was not really asleep in the train compartment, he 
already knew that Sirius was coming  to Hogwarts. But it is 
interesting that soon after the episode you quote, Sirius is 
spotted in the stands by Harry, and possibly by 
transformed!Lupin as well. Of course the dementors just happen 
to pick that moment for a light snack. 

Pippin






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