Snape and Harry again.

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No: HPFGUIDX 113195

> Pippin:
> You mean, besides the unprovoked  magical attack  and the 
> sexual humiliation?  I give you my word, if Snape ever makes an 
> unprovoked magical attack  on Harry  or sexually assaults him, I 
> will call it evil.  
> 
> (I know that pantsing is not much as sexual assault goes, but it 
> is as much sexual assault as I want to see graphically depicted 
> in the Potterverse. )



Alla:

I do disagree that that was a sexual assault, not even close, IMO, 
but are you saying that humiliation only counts when it is a sexual 
one?

You said "unprovoked magical attack". What about Occlumency 
failure?   Harry did not attack Snape, you know.

Was his look in the Pensieve enough justification for Snape to do 
that :

"Amusing  man, your father, wasn't he?" said Snape, shaking Harry so 
hard that his glasses slipped down his nose.

"I - didn't ---"
Snape threw Hary from him with all his might. Harry fell hard onto 
the dungeon floor." - OOP, p.640. paperback,


Does physical attack at the student qualifies as "evil act" in your 
book, Pippin?

Pippin:
 
 But Snape? What symptoms of psychological 
> damage do you see? 


Alla:

I am sorry, I am too tired to recite the quotes, which I did 
yesterday. Please look at my post 113099 . I am referring to OOP 
quotes, which do show, IMO that Harry was afraid of Snape. I saw 
some more quotes, which I will find definitely.



Pippin:
> Snape makes the Slytherins laugh at Harry but he also makes 
> the  Gryffindors stick up for him.  Even when Harry feels the 
> whole school is laughing at him, it's not. The only time the whole 
> school was against him (except the Slytherins) was when he lost 
> all those points for Gryffindor -- and Snape had nothing to do 
with 
> that. 
> 

Alla:

I don't think you get my point, Pippin. :o) I don't care that Snape 
makes Slytherins laugh at Harry. You are right, they would do it 
with or without Snape's help. It is Snape's enjoyment of Harry's 
humiliation, which annoys me tremendously.



 Alla previously :
> > Snape enjoys watching children being afraid of him. <
> 

Pippin.
Hmmm. I think he enjoys watching Harry be afraid of him, and he 
> thinks that fear will motivate Neville. He doesn't try to frighten
> the others much.  What Harry doesn't get is that   Snape is 
> enough of a legilimens to know when Harry is afraid even when 
> he tries to hide it, so Harry gains absolutely nothing  by defying 
> him. Nothing. He only aggravates Snape and gives Snape an 
> excuse to punish him. And it really is time that Harry, who is 
> scarcely a child any more, figured that out.


Alla:

How it makes Snape les of a sadist if he only enjoys two children 
being afraid of him ( and I am not completely sure I agree with you).

I think Harry achieves a great deal by standing up to Snape . He 
does not always give the bully  who is twice his size AND his 
teacher the sattisfaction of watching his victim ot be afraid of him.

>> Pippin:
> Do you think it's unrealistic for Harry not to be intimidated by 
> Voldemort? 
> 
 
Alla:

What do you mean? Harry is afraid of Voldemort, isn't he?

I am confused a little bit.


P.S. I am VERY curious what do you think about Nora's post, 
Pippin. :o)