What were the Malfoys DOING there?

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 113566

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman"
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
>  Hannah now: 
> >>>The real question here is what Lucius Malfoy was hoping 
> to achieve with the diary. I can think of three possibilities:
> 1. Restore LV to power through diary Tom
> 2. Kill off as many mudbloods as possible, and get the school shut 
> down.
> 3. Discredit Arthur Weasley, hopefully killing some mudbloods along 
> the way.<<<
> 
> SSSusan earlier:
> >> Personally, I'm going for #2, with the change from yours that 
> Lucius simply wanted to bring about DD's OUSTER from Hogwarts. <<
> 
> Geoff:
> >> So I think all his actions were directed to unseating Dumbledore 
> who is probably the most difficult obstacle for Malfoy to deal with. 
> The other possibilities would be merely spin-offs from the main 
> game - helpful no doubt - but not the major aim. In fact, I'm not 
> totally sure that he would try very hard to restore Voldemort.....<<
>  
> Bookworm:
> > In general, I think he was trying to stir up trouble. If it would 
> > bring back Voldemort, great. If he gets rid of Dumbledore and/or 
> > Arthur Weasley, even better.  Geoff makes a good point.  Is Malfoy 
> > a loyal DE or just using Voldemrot to gain his own power? 
> 
> 
> SSSusan now:
> I would say *neither*.  That is, I think he is neither a loyal DE 
> nor using **Voldy** to gain power.  I think Lucius is smart enough & 
> cautious enough to know that if Voldy's *around*, his own climb to 
> power will only be as far as Voldy will let him rise.  During CoS--
> when Voldy is *nowhere around*, Lucius is using *Tom's* diary to try 
> to gain power, not accompanying or using an active & alive Voldy.  
> (Hoping that distinction makes sense.)
> 
> Again, if I'm right about this, then I wonder whether Voldy has been 
> schnookered or is aware that Lucius truly *is* "slippery"?
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan


Carol asks:
But wouldn't Lucius know (via Draco) that Voldemort had been in the
back of Quirrell's head? Dumbledore tells Harry that "the whole school
knows" what happened between him and Professor Quirrell (obviously an
exaggeration, and what they knew was probably a distorted version),
but surely the other students didn't think that eleven-year-old Harry
had *killed* a teacher who was a secret Dark Wizard. (Quirrell died,
as LV tells the DEs, when LV left his body--or rather, his head.)

Much later, in OoP, Harry mentions the inconvenient fact that
Voldemort was "sticking out the back" of Quirrell's head (a remark for
which Umbridge gives him detention), but it's clear that his
Gryffindor classmates know this already. So wouldn't the rest of the
school know it, too? Or wouldn't Lucius Malfoy have figured out
something of the truth from the version of events that Draco gave him?
I think that's how he knew it was time to bring the diary into action.

Carol