What were the Malfoys DOING there?

carolynwhite2 carolynwhite2 at aol.com
Thu Sep 23 11:28:59 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 113651

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Hannah" <hannahmarder at y...> 
wrote:
> > Carolyn wrote:
> <snip>
> > if Diary!Tom had had this conversation with Lucius, surely 
> > > he would have discovered the key facts about Harry that way, 
and would not have had to extract most of the story from Ginny? 
> > <snip>

> > >
> > Mac replied:
> > Very nice post Carolyn. We must all recall that Ginny spends 
> months with the diary and almost certainly, as Harry did, was taken 
> in, quite literally. Malfoy, on the other hand knew its darkly 
> magical nature and so would handle it with kid (or dragon hide) 
> gloves and, if he wrote in it, would do so as his ONLY means of 
> communication, not allow himself to be taken into its pages as both 
> Harry and Ginny did. 
(snip)
> 
> Hannah: 
I still don't think that Malfoy was trying to get LV 
> reinstated, and that he probably had no idea this could be a 
> consequence.  I don't believe that Malfoy would ever have taken the 
> risk of writing in the diary - he knew it was potentially dangerous 
> and wouldn't have taken a risk.  So here's my version of events.
> 
> I believe that the diary was given to him along with instructions, 
> written or verbal.  It may have come from LV himself, from an elder 
> Malfoy, or from another DE.  The instructions state that the diary 
> holds the power to possess someone who writes in it, and through 
> them open the chamber of secrets.  
> 
Carolyn:
I don't think Malfoy wanted LV back either; it would ruin all his 
plans to have an uncontrollable evil overlord calling the shots 
again. And it certainly would have been very risky for Malfoy to have 
had a dialogue with the diary, as Mandy originally suggested, but if 
he didn't, who passed on the information about the diary's powers, 
and discussed the plot with him? 

Dobby seemed to have overhead enough discussions at Malfoy manor that 
summer to get the gist of what was being planned, and be concerned 
enough to go and warn Harry at Privet Drive. JKR mentions a cut scene 
with Draco and Theodore Nott at Malfoy manor, which suggests that 
their fathers were in regular communication. The other DEs that we 
have heard of, and who were not in Azkaban at this point include 
Avery, Crabbe Sr, Goyle Sr and MacNair..(and Pettigrew, of course, 
but he was still hiding in rat form and certainly not keen on showing 
himself to these conspirators).

The whole thing reminds me of the partly-overheard first prophecy at 
the Hogs Head, and the consequences of not having full information. 
Somehow, Lucius & co had acquired some of Voldemort's old school 
things; maybe they had retrieved them from wherever he was based at 
the time of his vapourisation at GH. [Riddle House??] And they had 
garbled, incomplete information on what the diary could do - that it 
would lead the user to the Chamber, and unleash a monster that would 
kill mudbloods.

Is there evidence here of traitor in the DE ranks? Avery's nerve was 
the first to break in the graveyard scene in GOF, and he was the 
first to be Crucio'd by V. He got zapped again in OOP (Ch 26) for 
giving V the wrong information about the prophecy orbs. Is he 
knowingly or not, suggesting hair-brained schemes that won't work to 
the DE's in the hope that it might trip them up and hopelessly delay 
them?

Curiouser and curiouser..

Carolyn






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