Malfoy Sr's Intent with TMR's Diary (CoS)

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No: HPFGUIDX 113657

SSSusan, previously
>> NO, Voldy isn't aware, I don't think.  In fact, I keep trying to 
use this "Voldy didn't ask about/Lucius didn't offer up info about 
the diary" scene as evidence that Lucius was attempting to use the 
diary to advance his own agenda, *not* to bring Voldy back.  I'm not 
sure anyone's listening, but that's what I've been trying to say for 
months.<<

Carol:
> I agree that LV doesn't know about the attempt, but that doesn't 
> mean that Lucius wasn't trying to bring him back. (Otherwise, how 
> can we explain Dobby's concern for Harry and Harry only since Harry 
> isn't a Muggleborn? 


SSSusan:
Good question.  I'm not sure!  If we'd had the dueling 
club/parseltongue scene in SS/PS rather than CoS, I think I could 
make an argument for thinking Harry would be blamed, but....  One 
point, though, is that while he is not Muggleborn, Harry is also NOT 
a pureblood, and so might be targeted.  Or perhaps the goal WAS to 
kill some "mudbloods," get DD ousted, and THEN attack Harry, and 
that's what Dobby knew?
 

Carol:
> If Lucius tried to bring Voldemort back via diary!Tom and failed
> spectacularly, why would he tell Voldemort? And in any case, he 
> hadn't had a chance to communicate with him and didn't know he was 
> restored to his physical form until he was summoned to the 
> graveyard.

SSSusan:
The fact that Lucius HADN'T talked to Voldy 'til the graveyard is a 
big part of my argument.  It would have been Lucius's first 
opportunity to protest about how much he'd done on Voldy's 
behalf...but he doesn't.  And I'm also not sure that the failure 
was "spectacular."  The plan actually came amazingly close to 
success:  DD was out of the way; McGonagall was ready to close the 
school; people were blaming Harry; Ginny was almost dead and Diary!
Tom was almost "real."  I'd call it a near-miss, not a spectacular 
failure.  (Of course, *any* failure by a DE is likely 
considered "spectacular" to Voldy--look at him blaming Bella for the 
broken prophecy orb.)


Carol:
> I'm not saying that you're wrong, SSS, only that I don't think we 
> can rule out the restoration of Voldemort as a possible Malfoy 
> motive based on LV's not knowing about it in GoF.


SSSusan:
And I agree with you that we can't rule out the motive of restoring 
Voldy.  *But* "LV's not knowing about it in GoF" really *isn't* my 
argument.  It's not that Voldy doesn't KNOW; it's that Lucius doesn't 
use that first chance to MAKE SURE he knows.  "But, Master!  Let me 
tell you how hard I worked 2 years ago to bring you back!"  Nope.  He 
doesn't breath a word.  It *could* be because he knows the attempt 
was a failure.  *I* think it's simply more likely that it's because 
his goal wasn't to bring Voldy back.

Siriusly Snapey Susan