Umbridge's goal calling in Dementors

[Eustace_Scrubb]

No: HPFGUIDX 127159


Eustace_Scrubb wrote:
> >Or as Senior Undersecretary to the Minister, was she aware that the
> > Potter boy had already survived at least one Kiss attempt from a
> swarm
> > of Dementors and was in fact capable of producing a corporeal
> Patronus
> > that would be sufficient to ward off two Dementors?  

Grey Wolf wrote:
> I have to wonder, however, how the Senior Undersecretary to the
> Minister - or even the Minister himself - would know, at the time
> the order was issued, that Harry could succesfully produce a
> corporal Patronus strong enough to ward off two dementors. The
> fact is that Harry's ability wasn't out in the open until after the
> attack at the start of OotP, unless you count the time when Harry
> "patronused" Malfoy & co. at the quidditch match, and the time
> Harry "patronused" a boggart during the third task of the
> Triwiward Tournament. Neither reflect the reality of a true
> Dementor attack - in particular, how much harder it is to generate
> happy thoughts when the Dementors are busy drawing all heat
> and light and happiness from the very air.
> 
> Remember that Harry's best patronus, at the lake, was witnessed by
> none but the Dementors and Harry himself. During the
> conversations following the scene, Snape cannot (or doesn't want
> to) tell the Minister that a Patronus was what saved them, much less
> that it was Harry the one that did it.

Eustace_Scrubb again:
There are no _human_ witnesses, true.  But the Dementors presumably
saw it, as you point out, and I'm sure they know a Patronus when they
see one.  Ministry officials apparently are able to communicate with
the Dementors, though we've not seen that interaction in the texts. 
Then again, they may not have noticed or understood that the Patronus
was cast by the same person they were attacking, since two Harrys were
present at that time.  Hmmmm...

Cheers

Eustace_Scrubb