Whither Harry? (was Re: Whither Snape?

[finwitch]

No: HPFGUIDX 127238



> Naama:
> 
> I don't know whether Harry will cause a disaster, but I certainly 
> agree with Pippin that JKR has set up the story for a huge clash 
> between Harry and Snape. Harry blames (irrationaly) Snape for Sirius' 
> death. This death has already caused him to cast an Unforgivable - 
> feeble though it may have been. In GoF, Harry fantasises of Crucio-
> ing Snape. 
> All this, for me, builds towards Harry casting an Unforgivable curse 
> on Snape. This time, successfuly.
> Thoughts?

Finwitch:

Well, Harry did NOT, strictly speaking, cast the curse, since nothing
happened. And, as no spell left his wand, it is questionable whether
Harry is guilty of attempt (which could be defined as a spell that did
leave the wand but backfired or missed the target). He is, however,
guilty of INTENT. (and would require a bit of parental scolding, but
no such person knows!)

Still, Harry fantazising/imagining about something bad on Snape is a
stress-relief - (Snape tortured, Snape drowning in a cauldron) - fine.
Just don't let it become *reality*.

And Harry's Intent was, IMO, bad enough. Is he going to DO it in the
next book? Try it on Dudley? Or Vernon? Well-- I don't think Harry has
it in himself to actually DO it. At least I hope so. However, I do see
him doing Legilemency on Dursleys, wanting to know what Duddykins
saw/heard when Dementors came. Or Petunia, who'se obviously hiding
things from him...

I think Harry DOES have ability to do Legilimens - he trusts Sirius
like he does none other. Why? Because Sirius has NEVER lied to him, or
even actively kept secrets from him. Much like Harry trusting Hagrid
in Philosopher's Stone. Dursleys lied; Hagrid told the truth. Dursleys
didn't care if Harry was freezing without a blanket; Hagrid lends his
own jacket for Harry to coddle in...

He knew that Dobby told him the truth. (how? IS this Harry's version
of Voldemort's ability to detect lies - to tell if someone's being
HONEST with him?) He knew Hagrid did.

Harry doesn't trust Snape partly because Snape blocks out some
response Harry would expect to get from an honest person. Note that
Harry even doubted Dumbledore's honesty about the socks. (Still, Harry
excuses Dumbledore: it was personal, private question). Sirius is no
Occlumens - and even if he were, Harry can always get that 'I have no
secrets from you' - from him. He may have actually gained the truth
about Quirrell (the dream) but - he logics it off and pays no heed.
Most likely, as he was sitting there, with the stairs. I think it was
the fact that Snape blocked, whereas Crouch Jr. was REALLY trying to
help Harry to achieve what Harry wanted to achieve (albeit in order to
harm Harry...) Harry got the Legilimensed thought, "I won't blame
you"; "I will assist you to win"; "I won't punish you"; or some such
from Crouch Jr, because that WAS his goal of the moment - and Harry
had to make his decision fast, so he's not going to wonder *why* the
Moody!Crouch is out to help him - he's already gained a suitable
reason - his assistance to Cedric, and the Goblet. 

Note that Crouch Jr. never LIED in front of Harry, but it was his
reasons which Harry *thought* he already knew that were the key to his
viciousness. Precisely the way he managed to fool Dumbledore. He did
tell the truth about the Goblet...

And Harry could, effectively, sense Sirius' honesty in PoA.

The reason Harry doesn't trust Snape is because Snape never lets his
guard down around Harry. Dumbledore, I believe, does to some extent.
(but not enough for Harry to trust him completely). I think that when
Dumbledore spoke to Harry for the AFTERMATH-EXPLANATION, he did let
his guard down to convince Harry. He scans Harry occasionally while
asking the question (did you do it) or more gently (anything you'd
like to tell me?). I believe that when Dumbledore told Harry to 'study
Occlumency and do everything professor Snape told him' - he forgot to
let his Occlumency guard down. So, Harry didn't trust him. Maybe a
part of Harry doubted it was *really* Dumbledore, because AD had
*always* let his guard down for him before.

Sirius, OTOH, is *completely* open with Harry, unless he's under
orders not to reveal something (and even so, *he* wanted to tell
Harry, and probably would have if Molly hadn't been there..). Even as
far as to tell Harry his extra-secure Vault Number. The one thing he
doesn't tell Harry is his location but even so, he explains it's
because the letter could end up in wrong hands... In other words,
Sirius is *constantly* giving out a heart-felt message: "I have no
secrets from you, Harry. I would gladly tell *you* everything, if
circumstances allow me...".

Harry's lived with Dursleys who kept him the fact he was a wizard;
lied to him how his parents lied;

Harry didn't trust those who lied to him. (Quirrell didn't lie,
either, I believe. He just wasn't telling everything, and had that
stutter to provide a reason.)

Harry won't trust those who keep secrets from him, not since Crouch
Jr. I suppose. In OOP, the only one who was as open with him as
possible and insisted that others were as well, was Sirius. (and
Fred&George were *helping* him to find things out, and told him all
about their businesses). Oh yes. Sirius, Fred, George (and Lupin when
he was there, supporting Sirius). The ones completely open. Ron's more
open with Harry (so Harry's more inclined to take his judgement over
Hermione's, who keeps secrets and runs into library...).

Of course, it's all subconcious, but that's how I see it.

Finwitch