Man the canons Re: Snape vs. Sirius (was: Snape's Stubbornness)

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I'm not really replying to any partcular post, I'm just replying in 
general with questions and comments on Snape and Sirius etc etc

In the Pensieve scene, somehow I think JKR is trying to give us 
something about Snape, maybe it's to show Harry and the reader can 
find we are feeling a bit sorry for Snape.
It could be like so many have speculated he put the memory there on 
purpose for Harry to see....its hard for me to say what exactly it 
is. But, on it being fake or made up or changed, I don't know, Harry 
tells Sirius and Lupin the whole story of what he saw. It says in 
the book, I quote:

 He(Harry) therefore plunged immediately into the story of what he 
had seen in the Pensieve. When he had finished, neither Sirius nor 
Lupin spoke for a moment.

This tells me, they obviously got the whole story of what Harry saw, 
then Lupin does says:

 "I wouldn't like you to judge your father on what you saw there 
Harry. He was only fifteen" Harry says "I'm fifteen" etc etc
Then Lupin goes into the whole explaination of why James and Snape 
hated each other. The fact that Lupin actually says "And Snape was 
just this little oddball who was up to his eyes in the dark 
arts..etc..etc I don't know, It just seems like they (Sirius, James, 
Lupin) were the cool kids, and Snape was not, that 
scene/situation/story has been played out for all the world to see 
in so many movies and real life events I can't count them.

 It seems to me that they both know the whole of what Harry saw, 
because he told them, unless he left out stuff, but I am just going 
by the book here. So, it seems to me if there was something 
different in the memory, then they would have said...hay Harry it 
didn't happen that way, Or I never said that etc etc. Unless Harry 
didn't tell everything he saw, but why would what I just quoted lead 
me to believe he did..meh..anyway.


Now, my question is, and I think I've posed this before. Why did 
Lily help Snape??
Shes a Griffindor, he's a Slytherin, Ok Yes, I get that shes good, 
and wonderful etc etc. But, If we consider Hermione and Draco in 
there fifth year and we take Lily and Snape in there fifth year.
Lily would be sort of in the same position.
Harry, Ron, Hermione all Griffindor, all friends.
Sirius, James, Lily..all Griffindor....not close friends? Lily 
thinks James is a show off? wait wait..I'm confused....wouldn't 
they know each other just as well as Harry Ron and Hermione, ok, so 
they don't hang out. But they are all 5th year in this Pensieve scene.
 So wouldn't Lily know Snape just as well as Hermione would know 
Draco in their 5th year? So whats going on here?

I can't see Hermione's defending Draco against say Ron, or Harry. 
So, is Lily just that good of a person to defend someone she has 
known for five years that is supposed to be a terrible guy all in 
the dark arts? I mean. wouldn't she know it. I know she says James 
is as bad as he is, but, it just seems like something is not clear 
here.

I mean, its almost written out like Lily doesn't even hardly know 
them, or maybe I'm just reading too much into it and she's just angry 
because she doesn't like to see anyone get attacked by more than one 
person. But, it just seems weird on her part, if Snape was so mean 
and nasty then, why would see even bother, I just think she would 
have to know enough about him to know if he deserved it. I have a 
feeling Hermione would not help Draco if Harry and Ron were being 
mean to him....but I could be wrong on that too..meh.

But, if the scene is real and we can take it at face value, and at 
the moment I have to because obviously Sirius and Lupin have heard 
what Harry saw, they didn't say it was wrong, or totaly different 
from how they remember it, then it seems to me it was just a classic 
case of the Popular boys, picking on the nerdie oddball guy.

It also seems to me that Snape was not very Slytherin in his 
approach to the situation. I believe that, Slytherin's are supposed 
to be able to save there necks, so stated by I believe Sirius's 
grandfather? One of the portraits I forgot who said it, anyway, yet, 
Snape is ready to fight them...if he could only reach his wand, he 
did not run away, he wanted to fight.

But, thinking on it, He followed them around, its said to get them 
into trouble, but, somehow I imagine, in some way, maybe he wants to 
fit in. Isan't it sometimes the case with those who are oddballs and 
nerds, that they only want acceptance. Maybe at some point, he might 
have imagined even being friends with them? I know that sounds 
strange, but, if I remember correctly, Draco came up to Harry and 
wanted to make friends, for whatever reason, even though he was 
nasty about Ron. I just wonder, if something similar could have 
happened. Why would James and Severus the 11 year olds, hate each 
other on sight? Did some similar situation come up? 

This is a question I really want to know Did they 
(Snape,James,Sirius) all know each other before they went to 
Hogwarts???

And Somehow I'm leaning towards Sirius and Snape are some sort of 
KIN to each other, cousins or..something, I don't know, I know 
others have speculated on it. I could be totally wrong on it, but 
somehow there is something more their...meh...but we have till July 
to hope for some answers...Please please I don't want to wait till 
book 7 (laughs)

KarentheUnicorn