Bonehead Question about Goblet of Fire

Geoff Bannister gbannister10 at aol.com
Fri Apr 15 21:17:20 UTC 2005


No: HPFGUIDX 127599


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, theotokos <theotokos_8679 at s...> 
wrote:

Theotokos:
> So, to re-ask Julie's question:  Does the British edition us "Jr." in 
the text or was that an American addition?  If it is in the text then 
the point made by Karen that "jr" is not British enough for JKR to 
consider doesn't hold up.  If JKR used it in the original text then it 
would/should have crossed her mind.  Obviously the confusion of 
identities is central to the plot but having added the Jr.--if she did--
then the fact that it did not show on the map must indeed be an 
oversight--Unless one makes the case that titles and other designations 
like Mr. or IV do not show.  I could accept that.

Geoff:
The relevant bit of canon is:

'Out in the dark corridor, Harry examined the Marauder's Map to check 
that the coast was still clear. Yes, the dots belonging to Filch and 
Mrs.Norris were safely in their office... nothing else seemed to be 
moving apart from Peeves who was bouncing around the trophy room on the 
floor above... Harry had taken his first step back towards Gryffindor 
Tower when something else on the map caught his eye... something 
distinctly odd.
Peeves was not the only thing that was moving. A single dot was 
flitting around a room in the bottom left-hand corner - Snape's office. 
But the dot wasn't labelled "Severus Snape"... It was Bartemius Crouch. 
Harry stared at the dot. Mr.Crouch was supposed to be too ill to go to 
work or to come to the Yule Ball - so what was he doing sneaking into 
Hogwarts at one o'clock in the morning?'

(GOF "The Egg and the Eye" p.405 UK edition)

As I said in an earlier reply, "Junior" is not part of his name so I 
wouldn't expect the Map to show it.

I think in every reference to him, the Junior is not mentioned, even 
when his identity is revealed.

'There were hurried footsteps outside in the corridor. Snape had 
returned with Winky at his heels. Professor McGonagall was right behind 
them.
"Crouch!" Snape said stopping dead in the doorway. "Barty Crouch!"'

(GOF "Veritaserum" pp.593-94 UK edition)

But, to reiterate what has been said, "Junior" is never used in this 
context in the UK.







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