"A Little Romance"

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No: HPFGUIDX 127914


phoenixgod2000 wrote: <snip> But when Fleur kisses Harry and thanks 
him? Nothing. He didn't feel anything. That shows that he's not just 
after the prettiest girl in any given room.  

Marcela now: Actually, Harry felt like any 14 year old boy, and I 
quote: "...Fleur bent down, kissed Harry twice on each cheek (he 
felt his fave burn and wouldn't have been surprised if steam was 
coming out of his ears again) ..."GoF page 506, Schol.h/c.

After this refreshening of canon text, I wonder what does that show 
to you now...

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phoenixgod2000 wrote:  <snip>And I would disagree with you that it 
was Hermione alone who did that alone. And even if she did, being 
able to help someone doesn't indicate potential romance.  There have 
been plenty of dark times in my life that my friends have helped me 
out of and I have helped them in turn. doesn't mean any of us are 
running off together. Hermione is one of harry's friends and she 
showed it by being one of the people to help him out of his rut.

**Marcela now: There is room for disagreement, yes.
But the canon facts are that after one day and a half, Harry had 
ostracized himself from the Weasleys, Sirius and rest of Order 
members (in his room or the drawing room), had cooped himself up in 
Beaky's room and had been feeling like he was carrying a disease 
(the beginnings of depression, I'd say). 
Nobody succeeded (not that they tried hard) in taking him out of 
this mood, despite some of them (Ron, the twins, Ginny and even 
perhaps DD through Phineas) knowing the cause of this behaviour: his 
overhearing Moody's comment of perhaps having been possessed... Why 
would Jo make Hermione come to his rescue?  Especially after she 
(Jo) had created a different scenario for Hermione's holiday?
There is authorial intent here, but of course, this interpretation 
is up for grabs.

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phoenixgod2000 wrote: He lies to her when she asks for his help with 
spew in OOTP.  He lies to her when she asks if he's started 
Occulomency training again.

**Marcela now:  Of all the few examples you could have given for 
Harry lying to Hermione, I'm afraid that this is not a good one, as 
Harry didn't lie to her when she asked him to knit socks (BTW, did 
you ask yourself about this action of Hermione's and its possible 
implications?).  Harry was lucky enough to have a perfect excuse: he 
did have loads of homework and was running behind, wasn't he?

I'd like to point out that there is a change in the form of Harry's 
lying to Hermione.
In PoA, he didn't have any problems in hiding things from her, he 
felt a bit guilty for not telling her but went ahead with his 
escapade to Hogsmeade.
In GoF, "...'Oh, I - I reckon I've got a pretty good idea what it's 
about now,' Harry lied./'Have you really?' said Hermione, looking 
impressed.  'Well done!'/Harry's insides gave a guilty squirm, but 
he ignored them...." GoF page 443.
In OoTP, "...He imagined trying to conceal from Hermione that he had 
received T's in all his OWLs and immediately resolved to work harder 
from now on. ..." page 311 Schol.ed.h/c.  Then there's another scene 
in which he cannot look at Hermione in the eye when he lied to her.
As a contrast, his pattern for lying to Ron has not changed much, 
other than perhaps in OoTP he lied to him a bit more maliciously in 
one occasion: when Ron told Hermione he had heard Harry muttering 'a 
bit farther' while sleeping, and Harry lashed out with the Quidditch 
lie of Ron not reaching 'a bit farther' to save a goal (when it had 
been a Door dream in the end).

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phoenixgod2000 wrote: He hates spending time with her alone when he 
and ron are fighting in GoF. Something tells me that he didn't 
exactly share that little fact with her (I believe) that he lies to 
her when he thinks Ron is right during the scabbers fiasco.

**Marcela:  Actually, according to canon, Harry doesn't *hate* to 
spend time with Hermione.  "...Harry liked Hermione very much, but 
she just wasn't the same as Ron.  There was much less laughter and a 
lot more hanging aroung in the library when Hermione was your best 
friend.  Harry still hadn't mastered Summoning Charms, he seemed to 
have developed something of a block about them, and Hermione 
insisted that learning the theory would help.  The consequently 
spent a lot of time poring over books during their lunchtimes. ..." 
GoF pages 316/7.
In the Second Task chapter: "...He sat with Hermione and Ron in the 
library as the sun set outside, tearing feverishly through page 
after page of spells, hidden from one another by the massive piles 
of books..."page 485.

So, I'd say that Harry was just missing Ron's company, not that he 
hated to be with Hermione... besides, they were in the library 
because of "his" problem with Summoning Charms.  When Ron was back 
with them, Harry still had to visit the library, even missing lunch 
on some occasions...

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phoenixgod2000 wrote: What I don't understand is the appeal in 
Hermione or people like them.  Does she ever laught at a joke?  Is 
she ever just a girl instead of crusader? Is she ever just content 
to spend time with her friends without trying to convince them of 
something? Does she ever have any *fun*? Her heart is in the right 
place all the time but I cannot understand why anyone would subject 
themselves to a relationship with her.   

**Marcela now:  Perhaps you have been biased by your experiences 
with those girls, but I believe that the canon Hermione is not 
exactly as the one you're portraying.  Hermione is the one that is 
more serious and more tight about what is right and proper.  Despite 
this, we see her often laughing and smiling.  As a matter of fact, 
her smile is the one that is most mentioned in the books, according 
to the five books:

Whose smile caught Harry's eye?

Artemis (author of this) did the search with following words in 
mind: smile, beam brightly, happily, cheerfully, pleased, grin, 
laugh, amused, bemused.

>From the search results, she collected all the quotes which
described happy expressions but not the expressions caused by
something hillarious. The final results are:

-----------------OOTP------GOF------POA------COS------PS------total
Hermione -------- 23--------20--------4-------6--------1--------54
Harry------------ 12---------8--------5-------6--------6--------37
Ron-------------- 11---------6--------4-------5--------1--------27
Cho-------------- 12---------1--------1-------------------------14
Ginny------------- 3---------3--------0-------0--------0---------6
Luna-------------- 4---------------------------------------------4

If Harry (or Jo) noticed (or wrote about) Hermione's smile more 
often that even Ron's, then I'd say that there's something behind 
this...

Marcela