Nel Question # 6. Peter Pettigrew

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No: HPFGUIDX 128072



Alla:
Peter does not say - he( Voldemort) made me do it, etc,etc, etc....
 
He says instead 
"He - he was taking over everywhere!" gasped Pettigrew. "Wh- what 
was there to be gained by refusing him?" - PoA, p.374, paperback.

Phoenixgod: 
he also says "what could I have done? The dark lord...you have no 
idea...he has weapons you can't imagine...<snip>I never meant it to 
happen..."
 
I see what your saying but to me, this part reads true and it sounds 
like he was at the wrong end of the dark lords wand for a while.

Alla:

This is a VERY good quote, IMO. Again, I am not dismissing torture 
as a possibility, not at all. It is just to me Peter does not behave 
like someone who was tortured and broken and REALLY regrets what he 
did.
Actually, do you mind addressing the point Potioncat raised? If 
Peter indeed was broken and twisted into joining Voldie and Co, why 
didn't he talk with Dumbledore about it during the year he was 
passing on the info to Voldie?

I mean, really, do we have any doubts that Dumbledore would have 
given him a second chance? :-)
This actually will be a time when I would fully support a "second 
chance", since I absolutely believe that person should not be held  
accountable for telling secrets under torture or REAL threat of such.



Alla earlier:
 
Oh, I agree that Peter owed his loyalty to Potters and others as 
fellow members of the resistance, no question in my mind. What I 
was getting at, I guess, was more personal level of loyalty? In 
particular, the dismissive attitude of James and Sirius in the 
pensieve scene.


Phoenixgod:
That just sounded like friends guy mocking to me. My friends and I 
still do it to each other all the time. You should hear some of the 
things we call each other. anyone who didn't know us would think 
that we hated each other, but I've known each one of them for about 
fifteen years. I saw that scene much more innocently than a lot of 
other people, I guess.

Alla:

LOL! Am I glad to hear that or what? ;-) I hold the same view as you 
do, I was just trying to argue the "other side" ( not sure how 
succesfully). I find it very hard to believe that James and Sirius  
shared quite a few things with peter did not think of him as real 
friend.


Phoenixgod:
I wasn't talking about you specifically Alla, I know that whatever 
else we disagree on, we'll always have DD, Snape, and Draco :) I was 
just speaking that in general, PP inspires more sympathy in me than 
other dark characters that many of the people in the fandom find 
likeable--like Snape and Young Master Malfoy.


Alla:

Well, yes, we do ( except I have love/hate relationship with 
Snape :) and you appear to simply hate him.

If I see Peter feeling any kind of regret for what he did, I would 
feel sympathy for him, not now though.

You know why else I feel this way? Graveyard. For someone who 
supposed to feel some kind of regret AND share life debt with Harry, 
Peter was waaaay too eager to take Harry's blood and  kill Cedric. 
Unless you share Pippin's view that  there was another Wormtail in 
the vicinity. :-)

Alla earlier: 
Sirius in the Shack tells Peter that he should have died just as 
they would have died for him. Would they? 
 
a_svirn:
 
Yes, I think they would. In fact, Sirius did.

Alla:

I agree with you that they would have died for Peter, but could you 
clarify  yours "In fact, Sirius did."? Are you saying that Sirius  
in fact died for Peter? Sorry, I am a bit confused.

 
Alla earlier 
2. In her well known quote JKR talks about Peter as someone who 
out of cowardice will stand in the shadow of the strongest person. 
<SNIP>
 
a_svirn:
 
Well, JKR would know, wouldn't she? She is the one who created him 
after all. As for reasons to befriend James and Sirius: aside from 
that already mentioned, they were fun to be with and were prepared 
to tolerate him. If it wasn't for the little matter of saving his 
neck Peter would much prefer their company to that of Voldemort. 


Alla:

LOL! Well, yes, JKR will know better than anyone else. I was just 
wondering whether there are sides to Peter's personality which we 
have not seen yet.


Just my opinion of course,

Alla.