SHIP: Why I do not ship H/H (wasSusan Bones - The Can...

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Neil: 
 I've read all those quotes and what I find most troubling is that 
JKR  
> herself seems to be pushing the idea of R/H.  Everything else in 
the books  is a 
> guarded secret, why is she open and kidding about the dating 
subject, yet  she 
> won't come right out and say that they get together.
>  
Luna: Maybe because the shipping aspect of thee books isn't that 
relevant and there is nothing to hide? Maybe because in R/H specific 
case it is supposed to be just for comic relief? So when she says 
that there is something going on between Ron and Hermione it just 
means that they have feelings for each other and that's all. 
Sometimes a dog is a dog and there's nothing more to it. Maybe she 
doesn't say that they'll get together because they won't act on their 
feelings until the war is over? Or because she thinks it is implied 
in her statement? It is also important to keep in mind that she 
discovered the shipping dicussions. She enjoys them and likes to 
tease shippers. This only adds to the suspense.    
 
Neil:
> I agree with everything you  say, if in fact Ron likes Hermione.  
What if JKR 
> has tricked us all at the  end of GOF and it is actually Hermione 
that likes 
> Ron.   Think about  it.  What if Ron is actually only upset because 
Hermione 
> was going out  with the competition?  I realize this seems far 
fetched since 
> Fleur was a  competitor and he asked her out.
>  
> It seems strange that through  the remainder of GoF and through all 
of OotP, 
> Ron never once mentioned to his  best friend that he had any 
feelings for 
> Hermione.
> Yet it was Hermione that  yelled "Next time there's a ball, ask me 
before 
> someone else does, and not as a  last resort!"
 
Luna: You could be right... Tha's a valid interpretation. But 
according to Jo's quote, there is something that both of them are 
sharing...

Neil:
> JKR Quote
> Chat with the Yahooligans, 2001 : 
sammyohyeah asks: 
Is it just me, or  was something going on between 
Ron
> and Hermione during the last half of GOF?  I love your books, btw, 
and
> two of them I've read straight through cover to  cover in under 24 
hours. 
> jkrowling_bn: well done on the reading speed! Yes,  
something's 'going
> on'... but Ron doesn't realise it yet... typical  boy.
>  
snip  
>  
> Here I disagree with you, I  think that any of the three in a 
relationship 
> with anyone will damage the  trio, but then I'm thinking real life, 
not fiction. 
>   When a boy and  girl become a couple, they tend to spend less 
time with 
> their friends.   EX.   Harry in a relationship with Ginny, Susan or 
Luna would 
> have  less time to be with Ron and Hermione.

Luna: then again you could be right, if we are talking about real 
life. But here we are talking about a book where the characters have 
specific roles. Ron and Hermione's role is to support Harry. Even if 
they get together, they'll continue to be Harry's support because 
that's what Jo designed them to do. 
  
Neil:
> As for your comment about  co-hero, that seems to have already 
occurred in 
> OotP.  Actually it started  back in POA.  More and more it seems 
Ron is missing 
> during important  happenings.

Luna:
You're right. But Hermione is just performing her role as sidecick, 
she is not being more a co-hero than Neville in OOTP, for instance, 
if we choose to see her under the "hero" light. In POA, she is the 
facilitator that enables Harry to go back to the past. Nevertheless, 
most important decisions are made by Harry. At the end it is Harry 
alone that saves them. In OOTP, Ron is being developed as a character 
(prefect duties, Quidditch, etc...) more than in the other books. I 
don't know why Jo is doing it. Then again, in the final battle, Ron 
as well as Hermione support Harry. Both of them are knocked out more 
or less at the beggining of the fight, leaving Neville with a more 
prominent role. Nevertheless, I'll have to agree that Hermione does 
spend more "on screen" time in OOTP than Ron.

Neil:
> I agree with so much of what  you say; I agree that JKR seems to be 
> indicating a R/H relationship in her  interviews.  Yet at the same 
time Ron and 
> Hermione continue to fight over  every little thing while Harry and 
Hermione have 
> become co-heros.

Luna:
Again, I wouldn't say that Hermione is a co-hero... If I do, I'll 
have to include Neville, Ginny and Luna in the list of co-heroes...
If you pay attention, in the second half of OOTP, Ron and Hermione 
fight a lot less than they normally do. Ron is controlling himself a 
lot more. In contrast, I don't see any meaningful change in H/H 
friendship dynamics. Hermione continues to support Harry, Harry 
continues to value Hermione (and sometimes feel anoyed by her, or 
proud of her cleverness, or he worries about her safety, as he always 
has) but still their relationship remains very platonic, as it has 
always been: no jealousy, or romantic thoughts... If Jo is indicating 
us a R/H direction, maybe Hermione "more on screen" time has very 
little to do with shipping and a lot to do with main plot advancement 
(no romantic feelings attached). 

Neil:  
> JKR may most certainly  be headed for a R/H finish, but in the 
process she 
> seems to be building a more  dependent understanding relationship 
between Harry 
> and Hermione.

Luna: See what I mean? You see Hermione and Harry becoming more 
dependent on each other. I see the contrary. Harry has always needed 
Hermione and he will always need her friendship as well as Ron's, 
they're are his main support. But I don't see any indication of Harry 
growing more "dependent" on Hermione. Pay attention to how he is 
starting to count on Luna and Ginny for emotional support... And also 
on Neville renovated friendship. Harry is diversifying, thus becoming 
less dependent on Ron and Hermione...
  
Neil:
> Thus I have my own shipping  preference, but I don't  rule out 
anything.  
> We'll know whats  happening if Harry ever out right asks Ron if he 
has feelings 
> for  Hermione.  I can't believe that he never found time to do that 
in all of  
> OotP.  Harry and Ron aren't normal boys, they seldom talk about  
girls.


Luna:
Maybe because Ron hasn't admited to himslef that he has something 
going on for Hermione? Read again Jo's quote, Ron doesn't get it yet, 
but I guess he is starting to get it in OOTP.