Hermione and Snape/Definition of Snape-like teacher

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Alla earlier:
Could you or anybody else for that matter, please show me that
Snape  treats Hermione as capable student she is. That he 
encourages her to  study that he sees her efforts, etc. By that I
don't  mean that he is  NICE to her. It would be enough for me 
that he ... let's her talk in  his class.

Pippin:
Oh, that's easy. He treats her as a capable student by *not* calling
on her in class. Snape's not interested in the students who know the 
answers, he's interested in the ones who don't. If she had a weak 
area in potions, he would doubtless point it out to her with the 
usual smirk. 

Alla:

Hmmm, I think you actually proved my point, sort of. :-) Snape is 
not interested in the students who know the answers, correct? So, 
how exactly this is a good environment for gifted child, if teacher 
is not interested in her? Again, Hermione is a capable Potions 
student, no question about it, I just don't think that Snape  gets 
to take any extra credit for that. So far, I see Snape treating 
Hermione as one of Potter's friends, no more than that.

Just me of course.



Alla (post 128318)
 
To me the definition of Snape-like teacher must ABSOLUTELY include
the fact that said teacher has a grudge against dead parent of one
of his/her student AND because of that goes out of his way to make
the said student life absolutely miserable.
 
Pippin:
I think this is an oversimplification of what Snape is like.
Snape's need to humiliate people stems from the way James treated
him, but Harry does things that make him an attractive target. 
Harry's seeming insolence and disregard of instructions are integral
to the way Snape treats him. Harry has never drawn Snape's
ire when he was following instructions and minding his own business, 
not even in that first class. He was making faces and looking 
around to see what Ron, Hermione, Draco and Seamus were up to, 
but he didn't notice that Neville needed help.


Alla:


Pippin, I never said that this is ALL that Snape is like, but yes, I 
do think that this is an integral part of what Snape is like and  
very important one at that.

You probably know by now that we very strongly disagree on  the 
interpretation of first lesson. I believe that Harry did NOTHING 
wrong there , was doing exactly that - minding his own business and 
Snape picked on him absolutely deliberately.

I see absolutely no rudeness in Harry answers. I think he was 
honestly telling Snape that Hermione knows better than him. In 
short - I see no justification for what Snape did in that class, 
none.

That is just my opinion of course.



Pippin: 
I don't see a straight line between the grudge and Harry. Can
you (or anyone) show me canon that Snape would be easier on any 
other Gryffindor who disregarded Snape's instructions or answered 
him insolently, or  intruded on his most sensitive
memories?
 
IIRC, he's just as rough on Ron on the rare occasions when Ron talks
back to him, and just as hard on Neville when Neville doesn't
do as he's told. It's true that Snape vanishes Harry's potion in the
first OOP class, and Harry feels he's being picked on. But Snape says
that those who have managed to follow the instructions should turn
their samples in for testing, meaning that the others are not going
to get credit just because they turned their sample in.


Alla:

To see the straight line between Harry and grudge, it is enough for 
me to remember Dumbledore's " some wounds run too deep for healing", 
and Dumbledore's acknowledgement that it was wrong of him to make 
Snape teach Harry Occlumency.

Honestly, call it oversimplification if you'd like, but to me it is 
very simple. Snape is so consumed by his hatred for James that he is 
uncapable of seeing that James' son is not his carboon copy.

So, I am not sure what is the correlation between how Snape treats 
other Gryffindors and Harry and Snape's grudge.

Snape treats all Gryffs badly, no question about that. Snape treats 
Harry and Neville WORSE than he treats al other Gryffs. Are you in 
disagreement with that? 
I am also confused by your last sentence. Snape did not really 
picked on Harry by vanishing his potion because nobody else turned 
it in for testing? Sorry, you lost me here.

Just my opinion,

Alla