Re: Dumbledore’s flawed plan

[hickengruendler]

No: HPFGUIDX 135897

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" 
<eggplant107 at h...> wrote:
> Please ignore my previous message, it was sent in error 
> 
> In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "houyhnhnm102" Wrote
> 
> > Dumbledore *sacrificing* his life 
> > is completely in character for me. 
> 
> But a pointless sacrifice was not in character and Dumbledore's 
death
> accomplished nothing, in fact it was a disaster because now the most
> powerful weapon the good guys had (with the possible exception of
> Harry) is gone. 

Hickengruendler:

But it won't be pointless, if Dumbledore was going to die from the 
Potion he drank anyway. It is mentioned in the book, that there are 
Potions for which no antidote exists, therefore it should not have 
been ruled out that Dumbledore *knew* his days were numbered. And in 
this case the sacrifice makes sense, because otherwise Snape would 
have died as well (see the Unbreakable Vow). And in this case the 
Order would have lost two powerful weapons. In this special case, the 
sacrifice would have made sense.

If Dumbledore did have some secret grand master plan
> cooked up with Snape I think it is very safe to say that things did
> not go as expected. I do not believe that having a gang of Death
> Eaters and a homicidal werewolf who likes to attack kids enter the
> castle while Dumbledore was away was part of the plan.

Hickengruendler:

Yes, I agree. I think neither Snape nor Dumbledore knew how exactly 
Draco wanted to bring the Death Eaters into Hogwarts. Snape asked 
Draco after Slughorn's party and Draco didn't answer him. And I also 
think it's possible that Snape bluffed in front of Bellatrix and 
Narcissa, and that he didn't know what exactly Draco's task was until 
later.
> 
> I also do not think letting Harry watch as Snape killed Dumbledore
> without telling Harry it was what Dumbledore wanted could have
> possibly been part of the plan. In book 5 Dumbledore blundered in 
not
> telling Harry earlier about the prophecy and a good man died as a
> result, I don't believe he would make the same mistake and keep 
Harry
> in the dark again. He must have known if he saw his Headmaster
> murdered Harry would spend the rest of his life if need be to hunt
> down and kill the murderer, he might even make getting Snape a 
greater
> priority than killing Voldemort.  

Hickengruendler:

I think Dumbledore did not want Harry to see it. It's just that it 
happened this way. Originally he sent him away to fetch Snape, but 
than he froze him and Draco appeared. Because he wanted to convince 
Draco to join the right side instead of fighting him, Dumbledore 
froze Harry, who would have attacked Draco at once. And then the 
other Death Eaters appeared as well and if Dumbledore had lifted the 
jinx, Harry would probably have died as well. I do not think 
Dumbledore was happy that Harry saw it. (At least I really hope so).

It seems to me it would have been
> prudent to say to Harry "Oh by the way, Professor Snape is going to
> kill me with an unforgivable curse but don't worry, I asked him to 
do
> it". Dumbledore told Harry nothing of the sort so we can conclude 
that
> Snape's actions were not part of the plan and thus Snape is just 
what
> he seems to be, evil.
> 
> Eggplant

Hickengruendler:

Dumbledore also told Harry, that he knows much more than Harry 
thinks. And I'm inclined to believe him on this.

Hickengruendler