Horcruxes: Theories

[John Kearns]

No: HPFGUIDX 136169

So many ideas, so little space :)

> > John K earlier:
> > Horcruxes can be destroyed, but as long as they still exist, the 
> > original soul cannot be.
>
> Juli: 
> I don't understand this sentence: Isn't there a word missing, 
> the word Die/killed/vanished at the end? the original soul cannot 
> be killed?

John K again:
Yep, I meant the original soul cannot be killed.  It can leave its 
host body, as Voldemort's did, but not destroyed altogether.  Sorry 
that was unclear.


> Juli: his plan was to make 7 (including himself), and that's what 
> he did, if 9 was the magical number, he may have done 9, but he 
> wanted 7, that's what he did. I think he doesn't care so much 
> about his soul that he wouldn't kill anymore to keep it safe, he's 
> kept on killing, and he will, but he's got all the horcruxes he 
> needs.

John K:
This is an excellent point, one I'm kicking myself for not 
including.  It's also why I believe Voldemort hasn't made more 
Horcruxes, even though he knows at least one of the originals was 
destroyed: 7 as the perfect number has to do with the creation of 
the Horcruxes, rather than the number of Horcruxes in existence at 
any given time. Dumbledore must believe this, or he'd at least 
mention to Harry the possibility that Voldemort might have created a 
new one to compensate for the one he knows he lost.  Plus, if 
Voldemort kept creating more whenever one was destroyed, the story 
would never end.


> Juli: I think RAB (whoever it is) also destroyed the locket, maybe 
> the locket is still around, but the soul it had is long gone.

John K: I hope you're right.  I don't know what to think about RAB.  
Regulus and the locket in Grimmauld seem so... obvious.  But it 
seems so logical at the same time.


> Juli: Something Ravenclaw's, I trust Dumbledore when he says the 
> only remaining item of Gryffindor is safe. The question is, what 
> it is????

John K:
This idea intrigues me, especially with JKR's tantalizing clue: 
"I'm prepared to bet you now, that at least before the week is out, 
at least one of the Horcruxes will have been correctly identified by 
careful re-readers of the books."
Is she talking about this fifth one?  Or about the locket?  If she 
is talking about the fifth one, what the heck could it be?

I'm also very interested to know this: if Voldemort was planning to 
use Harry's death to create a Horcrux, what item was he planning to 
use?  And what happened to it?  Even if a Death Eater was with him 
at Godric's Hollow, they wouldn't have known about the Horcruxes....


> Juli: I don't think so, the CoS was about his first Horcrux, the 
> Diary, he wouldn't put 2 of them in the same place. I know the 
> diary wasn't in the CoS, but it showed how to get there, so if 
> anyone found it then he/she would also get the Horcrux? don't 
> think so

John K: 
I still think it's possible for a Horcrux to be hidden in the 
Chamber - remember, Riddle thought he was the only Parseltongue in 
the world, how could anybody get in unless he was controlling them?  
And would that really count as showing them? Also, there are 
certainly other potential secrets of Hogwarts besides the Chamber.  
I just can't fathom Riddle placing these things in all the locations 
most relevant to his life and not including Hogwarts.  There would 
certainly have been a mystique for him about leaving it - in the 
building, not like the diary - the way there is about the founders' 
artifacts.


> > John K earlier:
> > 3) Finally, When were the Horcruxes created, and who was killed 
> >    in the process?
> 
> Juli:
> Ring: Morfin Gaunt
> Locket: The Riddle family (dad, grand parents)
> Nagini: the old man (the gardener at the Riddle house)
> The others? who knows!

John K:
Remember that Riddle was wearing the ring - indicating to Harry that 
the Riddle family was already dead - when he asked Slughorn about 
Horcruxes (so he probably couldn't use them to create the 
Horcruxes).  And Morfin died in Azkaban.  So... it looks like Frank 
Bryce is the only one we even have a clue about.


> Juli: who's Dorcas Meadowes? I don't remember him

John K: She was in the picture of the old Order that Moody showed 
Harry in OP.  He mentioned that Voldemort killed her personally.


Thanks for the insights and compliments, Juli! :)

John K