SHIP! H/G indicators of Harry's feelings for Ginny (+ Emma)

[AyanEva]

No: HPFGUIDX 136789

Ok, I think I'm responding to phoenixgod2000, but it was a little 
hard to tell from the format of the post...

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "phoenixgod2000" <jmrazo at h...> 
wrote:
>> 
> She didn't explicitly state her pov until after HBP was printed. I 
> also don't think her intentions were clear at all--at least before 
> HBP. If Ginny is supposed to be Harry's perfect girl, why did he 
> have almost no scenes alone with her in the book? Why did he spend 
> more time alone with Hermione comforting her? Why did he go out 
with 
> Luna? In OOTP Harry notices Luna's appearence as much if not more 
> than Ginny's and her comforting him after his godfather's death is 
> at least as important as Ginny comforting him during the Christmas 
> possession. Harry notices that Ginny flies well. He also notices 
the 
> same thing about Luna when she flies with them to the DoM. Ginny is 
> supposedly tough and magically powerful, but Luna is the last girl 
> standing at during the DoM battle.
> 
> > > 
> <snip> 
> What's frustrating to me is that it wouldn't have taken all that 
> much to get me on the HG love train. I became a H/L shipper after 
> two scenes. Ginny is a character with a lot of potential but the 
way 
> she is written and characterized drives me to froth at the mouth. 
> It's just so *bad* in my view I can't help but hate her. The LI and 
> ship of the main character needs to be done better than what was 
> shown in my view. H/G in HBP was just hollow and boring.
> 
> phoenixgod2000, who really is looking forward to the next book. Now 
> if only Luna were to get involved...

I thought it was just me who hated Ginny (or at least how Ginny is 
written)! Glad to find there's someone else. She's just sooo....ugh, 
I really hated how she embarrased Ron. It was just too mean. Ron was 
only trying to be a good big brother, a little over-protective yes, 
but he was just trying to look out for her. And she decided to be a 
nasty little snot. If I were Ron, I so would've slapped her. If my 
sister did that to me, I'd slap her. I have a small violent 
streak. Ginny's the girl that I would've hated in school for being 
assertive to the point of annoying.

But the point of my posting isn't to complain about Ginny (although 
I'd be happy to do that all day).

It's funny because I agree that Luna is a better match for Harry, 
even though I hated Luna in OOTP. For whatever reason, however, I 
*liked* Luna in HBP. I can't place why, but maybe I just had time to 
get used to her or something. She has more in common with Harry, IMO. 
Where Ginny is fiery and brave (which is fine), Luna is quiet about 
her bravery and, 
as you said, was the last one standing in the DOM. It's often the 
quiet ones, the ones that don't make a splash, who end up being the 
most vital. I hope that it holds true in this case. Luna has this 
level-headed ease about her that seems to serve her well. I think 
the "level-headedness" is better for Harry than Ginny's "fiery-ness." 
I dunno, I guess the H/G ship just seems too action-hero-movie-
perfect, too easy, 
too...too..."fling-ish." The connection between Harry and Ginny 
isn't, IMO, deep enough. (remember my complaint about about the SHIP 
happening too fast?) I think you mentioned that it was Luna who 
was with Harry at the end of OOTP. It's always Luna who gives the 
simple words of wisdom and encouragement when Harry needs them the 
most. 

I really wish I knew when I went from despising Luna to liking her, 
but I think she, not Ginny, serves as the perfect balance to Harry. 
Ginny is too much like Harry, there's no balance. Like Luna balances 
Harry, the Trio balance each other out, which is why they work so 
well as a team (when they're not arguing). Just my $.02. There's no 
room for Ginny as anything other than an ally and friend.
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Deb said:

There are, of course, multiple definitions of "Spinner" from many
different areas... it can mean one who spins as in one who makes
thread or yarn from wool, or one who is a teller of tales, or who is a
Spin Doctor... one who puts a distinctive positive or negative
emphasis to known facts(personally I think Snape is a master Spin
Doctor!!). It also can mean a type of fishing lure...

<sorry to snip in the middle of a sentence!> 


Me now:

Hope this exact take on "Spinners End" hasn't been posted yet(having 
trouble keeping up). The first thing that I thought of when I looked 
at "Spinners End" was that quote by Sir Walter Scott (had to look up 
the name):

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive"

Now assuming that JKR *wanted* us to think of Sir Scott when reading 
the title, that quote is one reason why I think Snape is still 
working for the good side. I know that's a HUGE assumption, but the 
quote is the first thing that popped into my head, so maybe others 
thought of it too. 

The whole focus of "Spinners End" is the information that Snape is 
giving to Cissy and Bella in conversation. In that context, I think 
Snape's deceiving Bella, Cissy, and anyone with Lord Thingie. And, in 
the process of deceiving the baddies, Snape certainly *has* woven 
quite a tangled web by the end of HBP, what with the Unbreakable Vow, 
having to kill Dumbledore (*had* to one way or another), yadda yadda 
yadda. 

If the focus of the chapter was Snape in conversation with 
Dumbledore, then I'd suspect that Snape was deceiving Dumbledore. But 
the web wouldn't be nearly so tangled in this case and the Sir Walter 
Scott quote would be kinda pointless. In fact, Snape=bad is so 
simplistic that the quote would have to meaning at all.

Either way, by the end of HBP we see the "end" result of the web 
that's been spun. Not that "end" in this case implies that the whole 
Snape situation is over and done with, but this chapter of the Snape 
dynamic is finished and we're on to the next chapter in Book 7.

 
AyanEva