Horcrux Killing (was Because it's dead. Re: Dumbledore's wounded hand)

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 136832


> > Cindy:
> > > "Death" of DD's hand:  Ring destroyed--probably would have
> > > killed DD if he wasn't so skilled. 
> > > Possible death of RAB:  In an attempt to destroy the locket? 
>  
> > Valky:
> > Voldie's locket would
> > gladly kill anyone who tried to make it give up its treasure,
> > that's its job. And checking down the list of Voldemorts style, DD
> > had enough trouble with the first two protections so I imagine
> > another wizard, after all we are lead to understand that DD is
> > considerably talented, another wizard might not even survive the
> > first one. 
> 
> Jen: Nice thread, Valky. The idea of the Horcrux requiring a death 
> to destroy it really fits with the Voldemort profile we learned via 
> the Pensieve memories. About the locket, if the locket at 12 GP is 
> the actual Horcrux, I've wondered why it wouldn't open and why 
> Slytherin's mark wasn't mentioned. Harry would notice that. It could 
> be plot protection of course <g>.

Valky:
I could probably buy plot protection and there is reasonable clause
for the trio ignoring the Slytherin Mark, since they were sorting
through a houseload of obviously dark objects it's plausible to assume
that *yet another* mark of known Dark Arts Wizardry such as a
Slytherin Snake symbol would seem to them at the time, entirely
inconsequential. It's even likely that they came across several
objects marked with the Slytherin Emblem, considering Old Mrs Black's
clear reverence of the very worst of Slytherin values, it's even
plausible to assume that she had collected a few Slyth embossed
objects (most or all of which were fakes, rip offs, mimic brand type
sold at Knockturn Alley markets for 10 knuts a piece) just for show so
the trio might well have tossed a stack of Slyth embossed Silver
coasters and a matching tea tray not long before they came across the
locket. All pure speculation, of course, but given the circumstances,
I think, a very neat little layer of plot protection did exist in the
Black Household clean up, and JKR may well have used that. ;D

 
> Jen:
> So I had two opposing ideas. One that RAB did indeed destroy the 
> Horcrux at the expense of his life and that in turn destroyed the 
> mark on the locket. 

Valky:
This one is still within canon that we have isn't it. But I am not
sure about it. Yeah it would be great if the locket were already gone
but something tells me if it is, R..B. never managed it himelf.
Peharps its just all the trouble that DD encountered that makes me
believe that. But mostly I think its that I assume ordinarily that
Voldemort has endowed all his horcruxes with the power to possess, and
it desn't quite sit right with me that a wizard that quite probbly was
never the calibre of DD could throw off  Voldie possession and DD
apparently found it extremely difficult without the help of
ingeniously clever SS. And it brings me back to the battle in the MOM
when Voldemort possesses Harry's body. I recall it says that Harry
felt unbearable pain and then he knew he was dead, wrapped in the
coils of the snake and DD was terrified. Voldemorts possession is
uniquely powerful, I think.. and I am rambling a bit, but suffice it
to say that I don't buy, yet, that anyone but Harry has entirely
thrown Voldie off himself.



Jen:
> OR, the locket is still a Horcrux and RAB was 
> only able to get it to safety before dying of the potion or because 
> Voldemort got to him or whatever. That might explain why it doesn't 
> open. But it doesn't explain why no one mentioned the mark--they all 
> handled it, trying to open it. Either they didn't take notice 
> because everything was Slytherin-related or it's not the right 
> locket, either.

Valky:
Yeah, like you've said here, I said above, I think that there was
probably a heap of Slytherin related things in the Black's hoard and
the locket was not unique among them, at least to any group of young
Wizardkind with no great skill in recognising authenticity. 

I am either side of the fence about the Locket still being a Horcrux,
I still maintain a faint hope that there is a meaningful Sirius Death
to become canon sometime in the future. (I never forgot Talismans
great post after OOtP) so I am either side on the locket. 

In any case if the Locket is a Horcrux now and still needs to be
detroyed that removes any doubt that Harry is *not* a Horcrux, because
if anything from the TLC/Mugglenet interview I took away a *definite
number* from JKR. Four left. I'm almost positive that Jo worded that
statement with direction to us to take it as explicit canon and run
with it. (feel free to disagree :D)

Assuming that, as I do, then:
The Locket The Cup The Ravenclaw object and Nagini makes four and no
room for Harry. 

Recently I wrote about how Harry being a Horcrux will enable the
prophecy's last line perfectly (as well as invert it ridiculously
too), read that one here, if you like, I am too tired to do the
analysis again *lol* :

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/135151

With that still lingering in the back of my mind I am hesitant to rule
out Harry right now and that would imply that one of the above
Horcruxes *may* already be destroyed. Circle back to Sirius..

The good thing is, It's a small number! the fewer the variables the
less difficulty Jo has with the maths, yes? <beg> I feel ok with
leaning on it for now.


> Jen:
> Although at this point I do have to agree with MS Beadsley from post 
> #136602, that it would take more than one book to explore Harry 
> finding all the remaining Horcruxes and destroying them, let alone 
> JKR wrapping up the dangling plot lines. Her suggestion was Snape's 
> role in the story will be to round up at least a few of the 
> Horcruxes for Harry, under the guise of helping Voldemort increase 
> protection around the Horcruxes. And who better to deconstruct the 
> hexes and protections around the Horcruxes, possibly even 
> sacrificing himself in the end? Eye for an eye. Snape would like 
> that.  ;-)


Valky:
Yeah I think that Snape will definitely help Harry, but I am sure it
will be with just one Horcrux, one is enough for anybody. It might be
all the help any one who's willing will ever be able to give. 

By my reckoning book seven will definitely be long, and I, like some
others who have posted, personally wouldn't mind if it needs a few
volumes, all the more pleasure reading.. :D