LOVE Saves the Day in the end WAS Re Dumbledore's Pensieve

[saraquel_omphale]

No: HPFGUIDX 137213

Marianne S. wrote: 
>(JKR)wants us to see that love came overcome
>and overpower evil, like we know from Harry's parents' sacrifice.   
>(particularly Lily's) and we know from the scene with Bill/Fleur 
>and Remus/Nymphadora, just to name one. We also see how Ron and 
>Hermione can get past their rather childish behaviors <snip> And, 
>just as his
>mother's love was a great protector of Harry, hopefully he will see 
>that his love for Sirius, his two best friends, Ginny, Dumbledore, 
>etc. is a strength and what is necessary to defeat Voldemort, not 
>learning how to do unforgiveable curses.

Saraquel:
Yes I agree with you, I think in many ways we all have to start 
having trust in the *power* of love if we want to go on the journey 
that JKR wants to take us on: JMO, I am aware that others may not 
want me to include them in this thought.  That it was Lily's love 
that saved Harry is the thing I try to bear in mind, although, I 
would be somewhat disappointed if the power of love could only be 
victorious at a price of death.  I too am wondering if all the 
people who have loved Harry and whom Harry has loved that are now 
dead will in some way help him at the Final Meeting between him and 
Voldemort. 

Marianne wrote:
>a) The love of Ron, Hermione, and Ginny gets him through facing the
>difficult truth of what happened in Godric's Hollow. (I am not
>sure who to credit it to, but I loved the reminder that Harry may
>not have to remember what happened consciously, but the memory
>can be stored in his brain like preserved film from a hidden camera 
>that he can retrieve and observe, like an outsider, in a pensieve. 
I >also agree that's not a trip he should take alone.)

Saraquel:
That was probably me in a recent post, but I am not the first to 
have thought this.  I think this scene will happen, and I think it 
will be key to Harry beginning to trust and understand what DD was 
talking about. He will see the conditions under which the AK curse 
did not work, and this should help him enormously in working out a 
way to defeat Voldemort. It will take enormous courage on Harry's 
part to do this, and I really can't see Ron and Hermione allowing 
him to go through it on his own. IMO, they'll gatecrash if they have 
to!

If I am right in thinking R and H will se the GH scene with Harry, 
then I think it will be a defining moment for them too.  They have 
always supported Harry, but have never really understood (because 
they have so little life experience) what he was facing.  If they 
see this scene, they'll really have to engage with the reality of 
what is happening, and what the stakes are.

Marianne wrote:
>b) Petunia will admit to loving her sister, Lily. Realizing this is 
>the last time she will ever see Harry and that her love for Lily, 
>buried deep all those years, is needed now... she gives Harry some 
>Very Important Information about things she knew.

Saraquel:
I'm not sure that I can credit Petunia with that sort of insight, or 
that sort of real love for her sister, but I do think that Petunia 
may give Harry some important information about Snape and Lily's 
relationship (I don't mean boyfriend/girlfriend here). I'm going to 
expand on this in another post on the Snape's Worst memory thread. 

Marianne wrote:
>c) Dumbledore's love for Harry will be shown by Dumbledore willing
>Fawkes to Harry. Fawkes will be on hand with more power to heal than
>ever because he's carrying in his tears the hope and faith 
Dumbledore
>has in Harry. Dumbledore will also leave Harry his pensieve, 
complete
>with bottled memories he left before the trip to the cave that 
explain
>exactly what the agreement between he and Snape was.

Saraquel:
I don't think DD would will Fawkes to Harry, I didn't see Fawkes as 
DDs pet.  I think Fawkes chose to be with DD, I see him as a free 
spirit.  But I do think that the moment Harry shows loyalty to the 
memory of DD, Fawkes will be there.  It is quite possible that 
Fawkes will choose to be with Harry at some point in book 7.  I 
think DDs pensieve will be key, but I don't think it will be the way 
Harry learns about Snape, I think that will happen through the GH 
memory.

Marianne wrote:
>d) Love will work by Snape choosing not to turn Draco over to 
>Voldemort because he knows that, even with Dumbledore dead, 
Voldemort >will still punish Draco and his mother because Draco was 
unable to >kill Dumbledore himself. 

Saraquel:
Yes, what is going to happen with Snape and Voldemort now? I don't 
think Snape can not `hand over Draco' and remain close to 
Voldemort.  Draco could well be Snape's undoing at the Voldemort end 
of things.

>Marianne wrote:
>Snape will also reveal to Narcissa that he is a HALF blood
>not a pure blood, and she will realize the error in the way she has
>raised her son and how she was believed to think that the only 
>respectable wizards can be pure blood. (In a utopian post Voldemort 
>wizarding world, Narcissa's views will completely turn around, 

Saraquel:
No I don't think I can go there with you.  I think that Narcissa 
probably already knows Snape's ancestry – and she knew the way to 
Spinners End, so IMO she's been there before, and that is a real 
give-away.  Bella's remark about no-one from their world having set 
foot in the place.  Also, people make choices, and I think Narcissa 
is a card carrying member of the elitist WW, and won't change her 
mind, just because we want her to!

For your answer to section e) see above and my post in Snape's worst 
memory thread.

Marriane wrote:
>f) An avada kedavra or any other unforgiveable curse will not work
>on Voldemort and his death eaters because they're not effective
>when for righteous reasons. 

Saraquel:
If you mean that Harry et al can't do an Avada Kedavra because they 
don't have the intent to kill and mean it, I think you might be 
right.

Marianne wrote:
>However, with all the horcruxes gone, someone (perhaps we'll really 
>see the extent of Ginny's power here, or it could be something 
>cleverly devised by Hermione or even Snape) will develop some way 
of >having wands join together to create some sort of Ultra 
Patronus. This >would be something that uses thecombined love of 
everybody present and >everyone who has ever loved Harry, and will 
be the thing that defeats >Voldemort.

Saraquel:
I like this idea, whether it will be a patronus or what, I don't 
know.  But the concept that the combined forces are needed to 
overcome Voldemort has a good ring to it.

Thanks for your post Marianne.

Saraquel