[HPforGrownups] Re: RL/SB SHIP Canon Evidence (was SHIP and RL experiences)

[Sherry Gomes]

No: HPFGUIDX 137282

OoTP is where I found "canon fodder" and came around.

-Lupin pulls out his wand and taps on the door of Number 12 Grimmauld 
place. Everybody else rings the bell and awakens Mrs. Black. Lupin
has 
the key, or has been apparently accepted as a member of the household 
in a way others aren't. On p86 b/91 US, Lupin leaves the table to
shut 
up Mrs. Black's portrait. Again, that seems very much a job of an 
official member of the household. Then on p 110 B/96 US we are 
told, "...Lupin, who was staying in the house with Sirius...". 
Not "Lupin,who was staying there to save money" or "Lupin, who was 
staying in the house to be close to the Order." JKR could have said 
anything she wanted, but she was specific - he was stying there
*with* 
Sirius. Definitely a member of the 'new' family at Grimmauld Place.
The 
question is, does 'like a brother' still apply? Well,if it had been, 
say Tonks, who was staying in the the house with Sirius, I'd think 
*not* like a sibling.

-The forty line stare (pp84-85 B/ pp88-89 US).This is the discussion
at 
the dinner table about how much to tell Harry which begins "Lupin's 
eyes were fixed on Sirius" and ends 40 lines later with Lupin
"looking 
away from Sirius at last". They look at each other A LOT. 

Ignipes from Fiction Alley noted: "Reading through the scenes in
which 
Remus and Sirius both appear, something I notice is that we ALWAYS
know 
when they are looking at or touching each other. Always. Even if
Harry 
is the focal point of the scene, JKR makes a point of telling us when 
Remus looks at Sirius, when Sirius looks at Remus, when one of them 
touches the other, even in the most casual way." Referring to PoA, 
Elwing did a count and found 45 pages when Remus and Sirius were 
together. In those pages, they look at each other 15 times, Ron and 
Hermione look at each other 9 times and Harry and Hermione look at
each 
other 5 times - that includes the times when Harry looked at Ron AND 
Hermione. JKR seems to be making a point here - maybe just that Remus 
finds his friend unpredictable and wants to be ready to do damage 
control. Maybe not. Not all of us saw HP/GW coming even though JKR
says 
it was there.

-The joint Christmas gift. Lupin hadn't even written to Harry before, 
and while the absence of gifts before or after OoTP are explainable 
because of Remus' financial situation, there were no cards or letters 
after this either.

-Snape's pensieve. At least one girl is noticing Sirius, and James is 
checking out the girls. But Sirius is just looking canonically 
gorgeous...Being handsome is not proof of orientation, of course, but 
the fact that he's attractive and *not* noticing the girl who finds
him 
so is interesting. In fact, throughout the books we find hints about 
everyone else's orientation - Dumbledore blushes at a compliment by 
Madame Pomfrey, James looks at the girls by the lake etc., but JKR 
hasn't given us any clues about Remus and Sirius - until the RL/NT 
references in HBP, which seem unrequited on Lupin' part.

-Harry calls Grimmauld Place through the fireplace. Lupin answers, 
fetches Sirius and kneels down to join the conversation. I found that 
to indicate Remus was feeling comfortable enough at the house to
listen 
in on Sirius' call on the other phone so to speak. I don't know about 
you, but I wouldn't feel comfortable about doing that at any of my 
friend's houses.



Sherry now:

Excellent post, even though I don't believe romantic RL/SB at all.  However,
let me talk a little about friendship.  i've always seen the relationships
among the marauders--except for Wormtail of course--as an example of the
true depth and strength of friendship.  I have to go into my life for
examples, so please bear with me.

I have two truly amazing friends to mention here.  First, let me say, that
to me, friendship is the greatest gift we are given in life, because true
friends stick by us, no matter what.  So, I am currently living with a male
friend.  People could say, Sherry lives *with* Doug, but nobody who knows us
would think there's anything to it beyond what there is, a brother and
sister type of relationship.  We've been friends for years, and when I
needed a place to stay, he offered to let me come here.  i answer his phone,
I listen to his conversations, he listens to mine, i use his computer line.
Before I moved in here, when we would visit each other's apartments, we
would each help ourselves to food, showers, phone and whatever else.
Neither of us would think of insisting that the other stand on ceremony and
be treated like a guest.

Even better is my friend, Joylene.  She is married with four kids and her
mom all living in the same house.  When I visit, i make my own breakfast,
help the youngest child get hers, get my own snacks, help with dinner
preparation instinctively like one of the family, watch the kids, discipline
the kids, answer the phone, do laundry, use the computer, answer the door,
participate in family discussions and activities ... I even have keys,
including car keys, and I don't drive.  i am part of their family, more than
I am of my own blood family.

That's how I see the relationship between Remus and Sirius.  It feels as
natural and much like deep true friendship as my friendships do.  Even the
joint Christmas present seems like a gesture two friends would do, as I and
my friends have done the same thing.  I suppose as so much else in the
books, we see this relationship through the prism of our own experiences,
and I see Remus and Sirius as the glimpse of what the marauders once were.

sherry