[HPforGrownups] Dumbledore and Snape again. WAS: Re: Missing Horcrux = Ravenclaw's

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No: HPFGUIDX 137314

--- jjjjjuliep <jjjjjulie at aol.com> wrote:

> Am I sure?  Yes, for me--because if you read the part of my post you 
> quoted, it's liberally strewn with qualifiers which point that this 
> is solely my opinion--killing Dumbdledore instead of sacrificing 
> himself was the easy thing to do.

Killing is not 'easy', especially killing the most powerful and beloved wizard hence
turning the whole world against you.  Dying, for Snape, could be easy given he's a bitter
unhappy man trapped in a mess and vow and all.

> Actually, I've said no such thing nor would I.  It's very dangerous 
> to ascribe all sorts of thoughts to me that I have not written 
> down. :-)  In that case it would have been easier for Harry to not 
> give Dumbledore the rest of the potion and to get him back to 
> Hogwarts ASAP, with the task uncompleted.  But Harry did the right 
> thing:  he gave his word to Dumbledore that he would do whatever DD 
> asked, and then he followed up on that promise with that action, no 
> matter how hard it was.

A lot of us see the parallelization between the situation of Harry and Snape, a very
typical JKR hint we are used to by now, and I have yet to see someone giving a compelling
counter why it is written the way it is. It is not a Mark Evans, if JKR refuse to confirm
anything about Snape and encourage theories and speculations. Everytime you bring up
"Snape is just a simple evil coward who did what was easy and not sacrificing himself"
there will be someone bringing up this deliberate parallelization, again and again. 

> What canon do we have that Snape is more valuable to the ultimate 
> victory of good than Dumbledore?  I think the argument, from canon, 
> that Harry is more important in the end than DD is convincingly 
> made.  But for Snape?  I have a hard time equating Snape with DD, let 
> alone posting Snape is more important to the upcoming war than DD is.

No canon line I can give you, if I can quote a clear line then there won't be debate
right?  An usual conservative educated guess would be: Snape is more valuable to be alive
and deep-seeded in the enemy camp, striking the fatal suprrise attack from within when
the timing is right. And ultimately I think what we have here is an disagreement on the
importance of Snape's character for the story and final battle. Those of you who Snape is
nothing but a selfish self-serving jerk who has cowardly turn the world against himself,
he's just a semi-boss for Harry to defeat before LV. Those of us who believed Snape who
did the right thing, both DD and us see Snape as having one of the BIGGEST crucial role
to play in the final battle, if going to the extend of killing DD is what JKR needed him
stay alive for the story.  

But really, no one can truly have a clear picture what is Snape's role setup to be in the
final battle, as of yet. No matter what it is, it should be BIG, because Harry/Snape is
as personal as Harry/Voldemort, what could it that setup for?  

Also according to DD, Snape 'cure' his blackened hand, and why is it addressed again and
again in the text and we know NOTHING about what went on? What happened to DD? What fatal
effect does the ring has for DD? What did Snape do? What abilities does Snape possessed?
Does Snape knows about Horcruxes? What was the poison Harry forced fed DD? Does it have
antidote, especially in HBP JKR specifically bring up the fact that "some poisons have no
antidote"??  You have to consider that ultimate tower scene with all kinds of clues and
questions that went into it...and for me the conclusion is: it is not what it seems.

> Who forced him to kill Dumbleore?

Dumbledore, who's determine to sacrifice himself to let the Snape (who has more valueable
role to play) live, pleading Snape to 'do it' to keep his life and cover.

> Who trapped him in this situation?

Both the Unbreakable Vow and Dumbledore who sacrifices himself to keep Snape alive.

> Why was it the right decision?  Why is Snape more valuable to the 
> hopes of the wizarding world than the most powerful wizard alive, and 
> the only person Voldemort fears?

Because Snape will have a crucial role to play in defeating LV in next book? Not DD?

Really, what it comes down to, why didn't Fawkes take the AK for DD if Snape is just
another baddie to get rid of? There is no way Voldemort's AK is more "blockable" than
Snape. 

And why are there still so many unsolved mysterious surrounded Snape? 

D.