[HPforGrownups] CoS was almost HBP: What does that mean?

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No: HPFGUIDX 137353



lupinlore <bob.oliver at cox.net> wrote:
In our discussions about HBP, I don't think I've seen a discussion 
of one salient fact that came up in JKR's interviews, that she 
almost named the second book HBP.  Furthermore, she said that no 
trace of the HBP storyline remained in CoS, as she thought the story 
more appropriate for sixth year as opposed to second.

Now, this raises all sorts of interesting questions.  Her statement 
implies that she originally intended for some of the events in HBP 
to happen in the second book.  Which ones?  And what does that mean 
for the importance of the events of HBP?  Does that make them more 
important, or less important?  And does that cast any light at all 
on the infamous question of Severus Snape?

First of all, I suppose it probably means that Harry was going to 
use the HBP text (or some version thereof) in second year.  
Otherwise I don't know how he might have "interacted" with the 
prince.  But does that mean that Snape originally was to have been 
the DADA teacher in the second year?  How was Harry going to get his 
hands on the book?  If Snape had been teaching potions surely he 
would have noticed Harry using his old formulas.  Of course if you 
are one of the people who argues that Snape MEANT Harry to use his 
old book in HBP, I suppose the same might have happened in CoS, 
except that the whole idea of Snape wanting Harry to use his book 
seems like a remote and contrived possibility to me -- as contrived 
as many of the Puppetmaster!Dumbledore theories.  How could he have 
known Slugworth would give the book to Harry?

Or was the original book of the prince not going to be a potions 
book at all, but something like a diary?  And what about the plot 
that DOES exist in CoS as we have it?  Would Ginny still have used 
Riddle's diary?  Two mysterious diaries/journals in one book seems 
like overkill (which may be part of the reason JKR moved the HBP 
plot).

Does this mean Snape was originally to have left Hogwarts at the end 
of CoS?  Does this mean that Dumbledore was to have died in the 
second book (something I highly doubt)?  Does this mean that the 
popularity of Snape's character caused JKR to change her mind (I've 
always thought she doesn't have things plotted out as firmly as she 
likes to claim) and keep him around longer?  Or maybe she just 
thought a reversal (apparent or not) in his character would be too 
soon after his saving of Harry in PS/SS.

Does any of this have any bearing at all on Snape Evil or Good?  I 
don't see how, frankly.  I could see some version of HBP happening 
in second year with Good!Snape, Evil!Snape, and OutForHimself!Snape.

Anyway, what does everyone else think?


Lupinlore

Luckdragon:

I've never heard about the possibility of the second book being titled HBP; but I know Jo said there were connections and foreshadowing between the books. I can think of several connections in particular:

1) Aragon

2) The diary(horcrux idea)

3) Borgin & Burkes 

4) Vanishing cabinet

5) Hand of Glory

6) DD's memories of Tom Riddle

7) Fawkes  

8) Ginny/Harry connection

9) Polyjuice potion use

10) Harry goes from Dursley's to the burrow

11) Weasley's take Harry shopping in Diagon Alley.

12) Voldemort is not seen.

I'm sure there are many more.










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