[HPforGrownups] Last Judgement Love - Was (Re: No AKs )

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No: HPFGUIDX 137442

> Valky:
> contradiction. I noticed in HBP that Snape was even more tolerant of
> Hermione, for certainly after all has been said and done, he could
> only fool himself that she is anything but brilliant and talented. He

I don't see it, Snape was same to Hermione as ever: he was always not so overwhelmed by
Hermione as other teachters do, because he still see her as an above average student who
relied too much on memorizing word by word from books and follow everything that's in the
book. I don't think Snape's attitude toward Hermione has much to do with plot, nor was it
ever blood-related (no hint whatsoever on that), it's just showing his ridiculous,
brtually high standard toward coming from being a genius himself, who has little
tolerance for those who failed to match his brilliance and deliberately being difficult
(= being a jerk). 

> As Mari said: "The loving choice can mean sacrificing reputation,
> friends, trust, or even your life, if necessary." There was/is still
> time for Sevvie to make the Loving choice here and sacrifice his pride
> for what is right, first though, he has to face the kind of love that
> will bear these consequences out on him and allow him to see what he
> truly is. The kind of Love that Harry will need to bring to Voldemort.
> It all seems *so* not nice, but it's actually the kindest isn't it, a
> Love that can purify out the stains on our soul that cause us the
> greatest anguish. The ones that live in our Worst Memory.
> Thats the one kind of Love that I think would be able to
> satisfactorily complete Harry's Story. I doubt tht JKR would reach for
> something less. And I also hope that she wouldn't.

I've been reading this thread with great interesting (great posts Valky and Mari), it
seems to me somehow, you're suggesting that this ulimate 'love' thing in this series has
to do with Harry and Snape, as in all the hate and complicated conflicts that's been
contribute to these two's relationship throughout the entire series is all a build up for
this finale "agape love conquer evil" thing? The greatest love power that involves Harry
and Snape? That Harry and Snape is the heart of it all?  As oppose to...you know...the
greatest ideal equal perfect love that is Harry and Ginny?  I think most people would
expect/want the later. The Snape's key involvement in Harry's "love power" in defeating
LV would greatly upset all those rabid Snape-haters and those who were expecting
Harry/Ginny (and his friends/dead parents), let alone Snape being the key of it...there'd
be outrage. Oh darn that thunder-stealing Snape...after you stole LV thunder you have
to... (I would applaud JKR if she go that way, but I don't think she's that
unconventional).

> I still wonder if anyone else was piqued, like me, to read the passage
> about Snape appearing to be in as much pain as the *Dog* (Fang) stuck
> in the building behind them. I thought this was a clear allusion to
> Sirius, myself, very very cleverly inserted into the most profound
> moments between Snape and Harry of the whole book. 

I thought that was ridiculously obvious (along with the parallelization between Snape and
Harry in their scenes of "sacrificing" DD under DD's demand). But hey what do you know,
reading the list and I'm surprise to find all these people who's completely blind to
these literary clues. 

And you're not the only one who notice that abnormal 'quantity" of time Snape and Harry
actually spent together in their boring and uneventful detentions. Why would Snape do
that? What's that about? (I would have mark that as another waste of pages on mundane
daily life details that are totally non-matter that's been junking this book, but then
it's Snape...hmm...)

> Valky:
> I entirely agree. And I agree that Harry's feelings will make it
> hugely harder to have mercy on Severus Snape. However, in an ironic
> twist, I think Snape will turn out to be more deserving than Pettigrew
> ever was. Though Harry won't realise that until he's actually faced
> this test. He will forgive Snape. I am sure he will, but not before he

But Harry is not that great a person really...he's no Dumbledore.

> discovers more of Snapes unpleasant truths and it is almost downright
> impossible to do so. I can see the story heading for a poignant moment
> when we kind of know that this huge weight has just been lifted from
> Sevvies shoulders and for a fleeting moment it seems like he and Harry
> have an understanding at last, for a split second we'll see Snape so
> close to admitting that he actually cares about Harry.. then his face
> will curl into a sneer again and with a humourless laugh Snape will
> face his final fate... or something like that. HAHA, lets just hope

This sounds all beautiful and all, but somehow I just can't see Harry being all that
beautiful as a person, despite his extraodinary power is supposed to be *love*.  Yup I'm
just not convinced at all Harry is that great. So far in the book Harry has shown
extremely limited capacity of "love" for those who are unlovable (or those who are not
nice to him). Harry is just no Dumbledore. Harry is just an everyman, his capacity of
love was, to quote Harry, BIG DEAL!  Whenever someone cite how 'awesomely loving" Harry
is by the example of those split second "sort feeling bad for Merope" or that "I can't
believe my dad was so horrible to Snape", or "I haven't give a thought to Draco at
all...but yeah poor kid...look what had he gotten himself into...man..."  I'd say that is
*pathetic* if these are supposed to be great example of how extraordinary and super rare
Harry's oh-so-greatest capcity of love is. Those examples exactly show Harry's level of
compassion, empathy and love are just everyman type of "reactionary cheap sympathy," the
kind we saw on TV about certain despictable criminal's tragic childhood story, most of us
would feel bad for them for like 10 seconds, then nothing. That's what Harry did. Harry
is just like most people. How on earth Harry is going to suddenly achieve great capacity
of Agape love?  Harry's capacity of love is nowhere near Dumbledore. 

Really, I can't see how JKR can pull this "love power" thing through the everyman Harry
other than your cliche mushy 'all those who loves me stand behind me to combine our
collective super love power to strike final blow to the lonely unlovable villain' way.
And yeah some people do find that so moving, interesting and dramatic...

Agape? Harry?...whatever.... 
Would be great but just don't see it, totally OOC! Harry is not that great and loving.

D.