Dumbledore and Snape again/ Argument in the Forest again.

[esmith222002]

No: HPFGUIDX 137459

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at e...> 
wrote:
 how is Snape going to be of more use to Harry than
> Dumbledore?  Harry will *never* listen to anything from Snape now.  
He saw him murder Dumbledore.  He'll never listen.    As to Snape
> as spy being more valuable than Dumbledore, the only wizard 
Voldemort fears?
> I just don't believe it.  The fact that Voldemort fears Dumbledore 
can be a very valuable asset and may have held him back.  

But did DD manage to stop Voldemort committing countless atrocities 
in the last war. No he did not. DD started the Order of the Phoenix, 
but the Order was outnumbered, - and losing. The point here is that 
DD could NOT stop Voldemort, only Harry managed that.
So DD hatched a plan (alluded to in OOTP) that involves Harry 
defeating Voldemort. That plan has definitely been in place 
throughout the books and again is alluded to in OOTP. Do you honestly 
believe that after all that set up, this plan has now spectacularly 
failed? It makes no sense!!
> 
> Sherry now:
> 
But seriously, now that I'm free to see him as I believe he truly is,
> there's nothing that suggests to me that he is good all along.  
Especially
> when I consider his abuse of his students.  No matter how I slice 
it, his
> treatment of Neville is abusive and could send a kid to the 
wizarding
> version of a psychiatrist for years.  

I agree that Snape is abusive, and anybody who suffers such abuse 
deserves my utmost sympathy. But IMO, the world is grey, and Snape's 
abuse does not preclude the potential that he would fight against 
Voldemort.
> 
> Brothergib
> 
> And, IMO, most damning of all, is his reaction to Harry's comment of
> Coward. Again IMO, it doesn't make sense that if Snape had finally
> killed DD and freed himself of Hogwarts, he would care what Harry 
said to him. He would be elated and not react this way. What makes 
more sense, IMO, is if Snape has just been forced to kill DD(on DD's 
orders) to ultimately help Harry (someone he doesn't think is up to 
the job) and is then called a coward, he might not be able to
> control his temper!!
> 
> 
> Sherry now:
> 
> Well, we see this completely differently.  I don't think it takes a 
whole lot of courage to murder a sick and weak man.  Dumbledore was 
unarmed without his wand.  Not a very brave act to walk up and do the 
WW version of shooting someone in the head.  Nothing will convince me 
of a secret plan between the two.  

As I've said before, Snape is Evil, simply means that DD is a 
complete fool. And DD is too powerful a wizard to be fooled thus. You 
have clearly read my other posts so I won't labour the point. Only to 
say that DD has a cast iron reason for trusting Snape. We have not 
been told this reason because JKR needs the ambiguity to last into 
book 7. But whatever it is, I don't believe DD was wrong to believe 
it!

Brothergib