Last Judgement Love - Was (Re: No AKs )

[saraquel_omphale]

No: HPFGUIDX 137486

Great post Valky, I just wish I'd had it before I wrote the post I 
posted 10 minutes before you posted this one!! (Sorry if that sounds 
convoluted, even I had to read it twice to understand what I meant.) 
You have really advanced my thinking on the significance of Lily's 
blood, which I was struggling with and also brought in the 
significance of FF, which I felt must be important but couldn't see 
quite how. You picked up and expanded on the significance I missed 
in Jen's post.

Here's my immediate reaction:

>Jen wrote:
>I'm wondering if Dumbledore means something a bit more magical when
>he says Harry's power is his ability to love. What if he's not
>referring to love in Harry's day-to-day actions or his 'saving
>people thing' or even Agape love, but is instead referring to a
>magical transformation which took place when Lily's loving sacrifice
>clashed with Voldemort's evil curse and both came to reside in not
>only Harry's blood, but in his very skin?

>Valky wrote:
>As I see it you are both referring to an innate partially magical
>partially pure goodness power residing in Harry.
>I see a parrallel in here to the Felix Felicis potion, and the 
>placebo effect on Ron. From Jen's end there is a Felix Felicis and 
>Saraquel approaches from the placebo end.

Saraquel:
Clarifying here. So are we now saying that we have an actual 
physically manifested piece (for want of a better word) of the Power 
of Last Judgement Love that we have been talking about in Harry's 
blood?  If the parallels to JKR's faith are in play here (I believe 
she said that no-one after reading the end of the series could be in 
any doubt about her faith.) Then Lily's choice could have paralleled 
Christ's choice.  I say that with the greatest caution, as I in no 
way wish to offend anyone.  The last thing that I wish to imply is 
that Lily is Christ in some way, especially as I do not adhere to 
Christianity or any other religion, but have great respect for all 
faiths. But perhaps it parallels it in some way.  That Lily's 
choice, whatever it was, was a redemptive choice.  It was a choice 
which offered hope to everyone. 

It was a choice which, when crossed with Voldemort's curse, (which 
was an action to destroy hope and allow evil to reign supreme,) 
invoked an *Action* by the Awesome Purifying/Judgemental type of 
Love that is in the locked room. (which I think is the type of love 
which is beyond normal human capacity.)  Just to explain the 
Voldemort's curse bit.  Voldemort was well on the way to 
immortality, the prophecy says Harry is the one to destroy 
Voldemort, if Voldemort kills Harry, Evil lives forever.

If this is so, then it is possible that because of Lily's sacrifice, 
Harry is actually carrying around some of this Love within him.  So 
we might have some of that Love outside the locked room.  This 
possibly releases *me*, at any rate from having to place the final 
confrontation in the Room at the Department of Mysteries, although I 
still think it would be a good place to have it! (I just can't seem 
to let go of that one :-) ) 

Now onto the next bit. I'm not feeling that I'm getting anywhere 
clear with this post, but I'll carry on in the hope that by writing 
it, someone will be able to pick it up and get to where we should be 
going.

>Valky wrote:
>I have long
>believed that DD's gleam was because he knew Voldemort took Harry's
>blood because of it's magical power, so he percieved it as something
>he could *use* which is true, but Voldemort fails to recognise what 
>is also true about this power. Something else about it which 
>Voldemort refuses to acknowledge in his adage that there is *only 
>power*. Ok I don't really have a clue what it is, but that's what I 
>have always thought it was about.

Saraquel:
I'm wondering if we are talking free-will here.  Voldemort thinks 
(see my choices post on Voldemort's weakness) that he can remove 
people's free will by intimidation. IMO, this is why he says there 
is only power.  We really need to work out exactly what Voldemort 
thinks taking Harry's blood will allow him to do.  Obviously he 
thinks he will now be able to kill Harry, because he feels that he 
has broken through the defensive shield that was in his blood.  But 
*why* does he think having Harry's blood circulating in him will 
disable this shield? What does Voldemort think the shield consists 
of? Or does he think that he is now protected by the shield as well 
and therefore he can't be killed?  I really feel like I'm missing 
something really simple here, and when someone points it out I'm 
going to have a Doh! Moment.

>Valky wrote:
>Next we have the placebo effect, which is Harry's ability to Love. 
>And like Ron, Harry can access it without incantations or actual 
>magic potions, because it is within himself all the time.

Saraquel:
Loved that bit, Valky. The search for wandless magic – it's been a 
bit of a holy grail on the list hasn't it!

>Valky wrote:
>Someone earlier
>quoted DD that Harry is not inclined to the powers that Voldemort 
>has given him, while others would 'kill' to have such power because 
>it can be used for domination and control, Harry thinks nothing of 
>it and is not tempted to control or dominate anything. And here we 
>see how the two connect. This innate magic in Harry's blood is a 
>very great magic, like the miiror of erised and the Philosophers 
>stone, but there is a difference between Harry and Voldemort a very 
>great difference.

Saraquel:
Absolutely agree, see my bit above.

>Valky wrote:
>Like with the PS, Harry will risk everything to find it not caring
>what he'll do next just that he must find it first or Voldemort 
>will. And Voldemort will realise what power he possesses in his 
>blood and he will seek to use it for himself. That is where the 
>placebo effect comes in most strongly. Harry's emotional journey is 
>all important here because he has something just beyond the power 
>that they fight with, he has this faith like Ron on the Quidditch 
>field, that he can win this one. And thats just enough to tip the 
>scales.

Saraquel:
I feel that we are so close to something here Valky – hope you don't 
mind me saying we, but for me, this thread has been built up bit by 
bit though everyone's contributions.  After reading this bit, I was 
thinking something on the lines of: Harry has the faith that he can 
win, not because HE wants to win, but because he has faith in making 
the choice of what is right over what is easy, and he has nothing to 
gain personally. It is a selfless act. 

So like I said above, we really need to work out what is going on in 
Voldemort's mind about the blood aspect and that should give us more 
insight into how the final battle is going to shape up.

Just a quick thought about another part of the theme.  I really am 
with you about the next meeting between Snape and Harry being of 
immense importance to both of them, and that it will teach Harry the 
final lesson in his choices journey, IMO that he has to renounce 
vengeance is he is going to defeat Voldemort.

I'm going to leave it there and ponder some more.

Oh yes, just two last things, when you snipped my PhD quote, you 
snipped off the smiley face at the end.  It was a joke, but I do 
agree with you wholeheartedly.  The more I think about this theme, 
the more impressed I am at JKR's foundation for her work, and the 
subtlety of the story that she has woven around it!

And secondly, the fact that Lily was muggle born, yet it is her 
blood which is so powerfully magical, is a nice touch in the pure 
blood prejudice theme.

Saraquel