Back to the cave and Dumbledore's screams

[finwitch]

No: HPFGUIDX 137536

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "vmonte" <vmonte at y...> wrote:
 vivian:
> I just reread this scene again. What exactly did this potion do to 
> Dumbledore? Is he reliving something or repeating someone else's 
> words?
--
> I really want Dumbledore to have always been good, so I welcome 
> counter arguments. If Dumbledore is a reformed bad guy then perhaps 
> that is why he could not defeat Voldemort and why Harry still can. 
> The Cave:
> 
> "I don't want...Don't make me..."
> 
> "...don't like...want to stop..."
> 
> "No..."
> 
> "I don't want to...I don't want to...Let me go..."
> 
> "Make it stop, make it stop..."
> 
> "No, no, no, no, I can't, don't make me, I don't want to..."
> 
> "It's all my fault, all my fault...Please make it stop, I know I 
did 
> wrong, oh please make it stop and I'll never, never again..."
> 
> "Don't hurt them, don't hurt them, please, please, it's my fault, 
> hurt me instead..."
> 
> Please, please, please, no...not that, not that, I'll do 
anything..."
> 
> "No more, please, no more..."
> 
> Dumbledore is now screaming:
> 
> "I want to die! I want to die! Make it stop, make it stop, I want 
to 
> die!"
> 
> "KILL ME!"

Finwitch:

It sounds to me that Dumbledore is witnessing some 'them' being 
seriously mistreated, tortured perhaps... he's taking the blame to 
protect them and offering himself to the harm in 'their' stead - as 
he did in OOP with the DA business - and then he WAS being tortured 
to the point where he just wants to DIE rather than keep suffering.

I think that - it MIGHT be that the torture was done by dementors AND 
some wizards using Cruciatus (seemingly) in punishment for something.

Dementor-like affect appears quite likely to me.

Finwitch