Peter Pettigrew and Sirius Black /Re: Snape, loyaltie and the fine thread

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No: HPFGUIDX 137596

> Potioncat:
> I'm not sure that just because Pettigrew was "assisting" Snape 
over the 
> summer between OoP and HBP, that it means he was living at 
Spinner's 
> End as Snape's servant ever since GoF. 

Alla:

I don't think we know definite time frame when Peter started serving 
Snape, but I also agree with Finwitch that during OOP that si where 
Peter was. Makes sense to me in light of JKR promise to show where 
Peter had been during OOP in HBP.

Of course it is just speculation.

But if it is true, it makes Snape's taunting of Sirius in HBP to be 
so much more disgusting, IMO.



Potioncat:
> However, DD and the Order knew Pettigrew was alive and working for 
LV. 
> Do you think DD wanted Pettigrew turned in?  For Snape to turn him 
in, 
> he would have had to blow his cover. DD told Harry he would be 
glad he 
> spared PP, so I think DD wants PP in LV's camp.

Alla:

I agree with you, that if Snape turns him in, it would blow his 
cover, BUT it does not mean that everybody has to KNOW that Snape 
initiated that.

I think Order could have arranged a little kidnapping from Spinner's 
End, if they wanted to, no? I am not so sure that Snape informed DD 
about that little development, but plot wise yes, I  am sure JKR 
has a part for Peter to play at the end.




Potioncat:

I'm reasonably certain 
> Snape does not want Pettigrew at Spinner's End.

Alla:

Because you think Voldie sent Peter to spy on Snape? I suppose. BUT 
if Snape considers Peter's presence to be  sort of " massage of his 
ego", I think he could be pleased at such development

Isn't it nice to have one of his school enemies as his servant, 
basically as his slave? :-)


Potioncat: 
> What I'd like to know, is how it was that Black was cleared and 
his 
> will was read within weeks of his death? What evidence was 
presented 
> that couldn't have been presented before?:


Alla:

Ooooo, GREAT QUESTION. I have no idea. Maybe they got Bella's wand 
and deduced that since DE attacked Sirius he must be innocent. No, 
this is lame :-)

I want to know it too.





Miguel Delgado wrote:
> To all Snape haters:
> 
> It seems to me that Severus is one of the most interesting and 
human 
> characters in the series. Most others are one dimensional, plain-
all-
> good-or-all-bad people. But Severus, aha, Severus is just like you 
> and me, a slug, a saint, a traitor twice, trice.


Alla:

Ummm, as the series stand now I can name several characters which I 
consider to be more complex than Snape. After spending whole OOP in 
Harry's head, I believe that he is just as complex as Snape, if not 
more complex. See, I consider the character to be complex if even 
when we know his motivations, his actions and reactions are not 
predictable to the reader. I respect your opinion that Snape is the 
most complex character.

I see Hermione, Ron, Dumbledore, Sirius also as very complex ones.



Miguel: 
> Even when JKR has put many, many clues on Severus innocence, final 
> redemption and utter salvation, the All-Bad-Snape haters blindly 
> pretend not to listen, very much a la' Harry's.

Alla:

Erm... NO, I just interpret those clues as proof of Snape guilt, NOT 
his innocence.



Miguel:
<SNIP>
> But at the end, finally freed of Dumbledore's restrains and 
instead 
> of releasing all the hatred, he gives Harry a last immensely 
> important lesson on Occlumensy.


Alla:

OR Snape is gloating at Harry. I think my interpretation is as valid 
as yours. :-)


I happen to think that many motivations of the characters will turn 
out to be SIMPLER than we think in the end, actually.


Just my opinion of course,

Alla