Plot holes (Was: It's over, Snape is evil)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 137627

> Kathy writes:
>   Please have patience because this is difficult to work backwards 
on 
> pure plot points as opposed to a character or personality basis. 
These 
> ponts are just how it seems to me.
<SNIP>
If Snape has 
> chosen evil, it adds nothing to the plot, other than Harry will 
have to 
> go through Snape to get to Voldemort. I don't feel as though this 
is 
> what JKR is aming for. If Snape has definitively chosen good, or 
> redemption, then he can be used to further the plot in many ways, 
> poisoning Nagini, weakening Voldemort, passing information, 
setting up 
> circumstances for the Death Eaters to fail in whatever Voldemort 
has set 
> them to do, backing up Harry in the final confrontation, etc.


Alla:

Oh, but we have ONE book left and I do think that even only for the 
literary economy reasons he is not going to be on every page of book 
7. :-)

I mean , sure he has part to play, but I am not sure that such part 
would be as huge as you are suggesting.

To me it seems clear that Trio will be playing central part 
in "Horcruxes Quest", NOT Snape. Especially in light of Harry's 
comments that all his protectors his lfet him AND  this is his fight 
now.
I mean, Ron and Hermione are with him, but I doubt that Snape would 
play the role as huge as you suggest.

JKR also said that to her  it is much more interesting when Hero 
does his job alone ( or with friends,a s we have here, but not with 
any of the adults).

So, for Snape to play smaller role, it seems perfectly OK to me that 
he chose Evil.

It does not have to be a definite choice after all. He can still 
help Harry IF  he would ask for forgiveness and IF Harry chooses to 
forgive him.






Kathy:
> 
> 2.  The difficulty in trying to determine what people are really 
like 
> seems to be central to the books as well. We all liked Moody but 
the 
> Moody we really liked was Crouch. The real Moody is a bit mental. 
<snip>Snape is mean, miserable, unattractive, and nobody likes him, 
> but he has directly saved Harry's life, and Dumbledore's life. 
This 
> would seem to fit with JKR's message. To simply turn him evil at 
this 
> point might validate Harry's feelings, but just validating Harry's 
> feelings adds nothing to the plot or the message.

Alla:

Well, again, to make adults to be not very effective at the end to 
me goes very well with JKR's idea of hero facing his final trial 
alone or with his friends.

Adults have to be ineffective OR dead for the Hero to shine. That is 
exactly what we have in the books so far, IMO. I see no reason why 
JKR would make an exception for Snape.

And to make Harry be right would send a message that you have to     
trust your own instincts first of all.
Besides, Harry being right about Snape will not necessarily stop 
Harry from forgiving him, on the contrary.



Kathy:
<SNIP>

 His death in the service of Voldemort 
> would not fit in with the theme of sacrifice that JKR has 
presented.

Alla:

IMO, him seeing the light at the end and dying for Harry wil fit 
with the theme of sacrifice, IF that is what Snape is destined for 
by JKR.



Kathy:
<SNIP>
 Snape is the only character specifically 
> mentioned in the books who feels genuine remorse for an action. 
> Dumbledore is convinced of this.  There has to be some plot line 
in the 
> next book that allows this redemption and Harry's understanding of 
it.


Alla:

Yes, Dumbledore says so, BUT from Snape's mouth " I spined him a 
tale of deepest remorse" ( paraphrase).
You know prior to HBP I read many arguments that Snape omits things, 
but NEVER lies. Hmmmm... 

I do NOT like the character of Peter, and prior to HBP I felt that 
Snape is much more likely candidate for redemption.

Now I am not so sure. If Snape remains evil ( if he is evil of 
course :-)), I can perfectly see Pettigrew satisfying his life debt 
to Harry by killing Snape,when he tries to kill Harry.

Here would be your redemption storyline. 


Just my opinion,

Alla.