Saving Harry was Secrecy (Was: Re: It's over, Snape is evil)
lupinlore
bob.oliver at cox.net
Mon Aug 15 02:29:33 UTC 2005
No: HPFGUIDX 137650
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...>
wrote:
<SNIP>
> Nora:
> > This assumes, of course, that JKR is interested in such strict
> > correspondences. The way it's put here smacks of far too much
> Joseph Campbell structuralism for my taste--by which I mean that
> everything is reduced down to the points where things correspond,
> and everything that doesn't match (and is usually what makes the
> milieu of each story different and meaningful) is elided out.
> 'Derived' in this case seems, IMO, so vague as to be almost
> meaningless.
>
> Pippin:
> When an author who professes no love for the form finds herself
willy
> nilly writing of castles, unicorns, good and evil enchanters, etc.
I
> would say there is some correspondence at work. And if she has no
> great affection for these things in themselves, then perhaps we
> might profitably look at the structure.
Which, for many of her readers, would bring us back to eye-rolling
again. The problem with strict structural patterns such as the
Hero's Journey is that, when followed closely, they are BORING. So
boring, in fact, that they are rapidly becoming meaningless. It is
true, of course, that there are certain tropes and symbols that
resonate deeply with humans of a given culture over long periods of
time. But eventually they wear out as time shifts, as tastes change,
as basic beliefs evolve, and as people become too aware of the
structures and symbols in their own right. In our own culture the
Hero's Journey has been so driven into the dirt that many of us stick
our fingers in our ears and start humming loudly every time the name
Joseph Campbell is mentioned.
Unfortunately, JKR does seem to slavishly follow certain standard
patterns. One hopes, however, that she is creative enough not to
follow them to their dreary end. If she does, I would say she knows
a great deal about how to tell a story in the Middle Ages. Her
ability to tell a satisfying and meaningful story to a modern
audience is sadly somewhat lacking, however.
Lupinlore
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