Snape detractors unsophisticated?

[unicorn_72]

No: HPFGUIDX 137853

"Sherry Gomes" wrote:<snipped>
  However, lately, we who
> believe Snape is pure evil have been accused of things such as 
being
> unsophisticated readers or attacking the author or being boring or 
various
> other such things.  I, for one, have never said such things about 
Snape
> defenders.

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Well, I've had people that though Snape was a vampire blow me out 
for saying he wasn't so, meh. It seems a simlar thing. I don't think 
I've called anyone unsophisticated yet....since, I lack 
sophistication myself, I would say I'm probably as unsophisticated 
or close to it as one can get.

Sherry Wrote:
 That the Snape defenders
  We are unsophisticated
> because we actually like Harry Potter.  Ok, in many, many posts in 
the last
> few weeks, several Snape detractors have reiterated that they 
interpret the
> canon in different ways.  For example, the fight between Harry and 
Snape is
> seen by Snape defenders as Snape giving Harry one more lesson as 
he flees
> Hogwarts.  To me, as a Snape detractor, I see it as taunting.  
same canon,
> different interpretation.

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Well, its like, you can argue about the color blue, its blue, no its 
teal, no its blue. Its the same sort of argument really. I think 
people are just looking for theories, and lets face it, Not everyone 
is the biggest Harry fan, some people do have a different opinion. I 
don't think I've tried to really chance anyone's opinion with my 
posts, I think I've been putting my thoughts out there, maybe 
sometimes I come off as silly or down right sarcastic sometimes. I 
don't know, everyone has their opinions one why things are said or 
done in the series, most of the people who are Snape fans are trying 
to figure him out, even if he is, as you say evil.

The one thing you have to remember though, some people get emotional 
about this stuff, they get personal, they get sarcastic...(laughs) 
If some people can feel strongly about Harry, I imagine their is an 
equal number of people who can feel strongly about Snape, and it 
takes a lot to get someone to change their opinion.

To get someone to change their opinion about something, you have to 
have equal impact on them with our own opinion, but, when you put 
your own emotion into it, that is generally when the clash takes 
place. To change opinions you have to be able to sway someone on a 
level that requires them to turn from what they believe, to what you 
believe. Maybe changing people's opinions in and of itself is a bad 
idea, this isn't world peace, or, saving lives or anything, its a 
book, so, if people are arguing about one character....meh, could be 
worse I suppose.

Sherry wrote:
> 
> Defenders claim that Snape's rage at being called coward is 
because he has
> just committed the noble brave act of murdering the one person in 
the world
> who trusted and believed in him.  As a detractor, I ask, and i 
have asked
> several times, how is it brave to murder a weak and sick old man?  
in any
> society that is considered murder and would have you off to court 
and
> prison.

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

Well, generally in society it pretty much depends on who you are in 
if you get dragged off to prsion. Lots of people who are guity get 
off, lots of people who are innocent probably end up in 
prison....hum...isn't that sorta gandolphish LOTR....Them that 
deserve to die live, and them that deserve to live die--Don't try to 
be so ready to send someone up the river without a paddle...meh...ok 
so I'm paraphrasing....meh, hay who wants to listen to an old wizard 
anyway, not me.
> 

Sherry wrote:
!  So, I am not criticizing JKR, when I say there are show
> stoppers for me.  I would just be saying, if that time comes, that 
there are
> some stories I don't like to read.  that is not a put down of the 
teller.
> However, I have confidence, that however Jo ends the series, she 
will not
> disappoint.  She hasn't disappointed me yet, and I don't expect 
that she
> will.  Whatever she ends up doing, she will make it work.  

KarentheUnicorn's Reply:

I hope you are right, but, I think other people have a right to say 
they will feel disappointed if a favorite character dies or ends up 
in a situation they don't want to see said character in. I can 
understand some people don't like Snape--but I think some people 
want to like this character, and they want him to end up good, maybe 
I'm just a sadistic, sarcastic git too....meh...probably, but 
regardless of my own person chracteristics, I would be disappointed 
if Snape ends up just being evil, and we don't get more relitive 
information for it. Is that being critical of JKR, meh, I don't 
know. As if my miniture mini disappointment would distroy the potter 
universe...LOL. But, I do think it would be a bitter pill to take 
for some people.

I will use my own mother as an example, She has never read one of 
the books, she has in fact only seen the movies. I have never talked 
about any of the books with her, she has strickly only gotten her 
potter stuff from the movies.
After I had read HBP, she asked me, because she has heard something 
about a character dieing in the book, she asked me who died. I told 
her, see was sad, and she asked me how, I told her, she gave me a 
look of utter shock, and without even knowing how it happened she 
said it was a trick.

So, I pondered this statement, So, I have tried to figure out, how 
would the movies work out if in the end, Snape is truly 
evil....well, in some ways one has to take the movies and book as 
two seperate beasts. I look at POA Movie with confusion, I also hear 
that GOF will not have some critical scenes that would help in the 
Snape development to help fans understand. The whole Saving the kids 
from the werwolf scene at the end of POA is utterly confusing to me, 
and I am left wondering why JKR would allow the scene to be played 
out that way, They didn't have to have AR/Snape come running out at 
all to save the kids.....meh, I don't know. I suppose I shouldn't 
bring the movies into the book talk, since, as I said above they are 
two different beasts. But, I suppose it can just be played off as--
Snape playing his part as evil spy--standing in front of a werwolf 
seems a rather bit thing to show though...but anyway, I digress.

One thing you have to think on is, some people want Snape to end up 
good, but I have seen some posts that say the story would be 
terrible if he ended up good.
To me, that is disappointing, why would someone they though was bad, 
who ends up doing something good or actually ends up being on the 
good side be a disappointment?? I can't figure this out, Its like 
saying, well, That guy down the street robbed the mini mart, BOY I 
HOPE he is evil.
Yes he did a bad thing, but, maybe he needed the money, maybe he 
just got in with the wrong people. NOW, does that mean I think 
everyone shoudl go out and rob someone because they need the 
money....um, No. But, I do think being able to try and understand 
why it happens can lead to learning how to solve the problem.

So, I think unless I can really understand why Snape became evil, I 
will be disppointed in the story, likewise if he ends up being good, 
without an explaination I will be equally disappointed.

Dang my post has gotten too long, and all this about Snape, Thank 
the stars my other favorite Series has just come out with Book 6 
this month and I have something else to read, and ON a very 
interesting note on this other series I'm reading, # 7 will be out 
Feb. 2006. HOW COME, JKR can't be that fast???...oh well, goes off 
to read my favorites story, sorry Harry, you take second place to 
Sanglant and Liath...(laughs)

KarentheUnicorn